Cooper/Warmack

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

People said that last year when I said "the bestestests guard who ever guarded" wouldn't get drafted with a Top 15 pick. Turns out I shot too high. Here's the thing about guards ... every college starts two of them, and most college tackles can be moved inside for the NFL. There's just more supply of people who can do that job compared to elite pass rushers, blinside tackles, cover cornerbacks and cataclysmic offensive playmakers. Look up the history. It's been well over a decade since a team took a guard with a Top 15 pick. A NFL team taking a guard with a Top 15 pick is an anomaly, I wouldn't count on two anomalies happening in the same year. Neither of these guys are in the Steve Hutchinson category of "all around" no brainer, and they both have holes in their game.

This is exactly right. One of the guards might be off the board before Dallas picks, but it's unlikely. And we wouldn't take the other, anyway. We'll wait until the second, or even the third round to take one, depending how things shake out.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by tm1119

You have no clue what youre talking about.

He's right that guards drop but obviously has no idea about the talent.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by tm1119

Not arguing with you on where they will get drafted.....your ridiculous evaluation of Warmack is the part where you have no idea what you are talking about. I hope there was a lot of sarcasm in that post.

What would be sarcastic? That Warmack is short, fat slow footed phone booth guy? He's all those things. He's 6'2", plays with a huge gunt hanging over his belt and he ran a 5.5 among the slowest of all offensive linemen at the Combine. He's going to struggle in the NFL in space blocking athletic linebackers on the 2nd level, he's going to probably be a liability in the screen game and he's going to be a bad fit in any zone blocking system. He's not nearly the all around player that Steve Hutchinson was who could dominate in-line and on the move. Again, those phonebooth blocker skillsets are just generally not that rare. You can take a big slow college RT and move him inside and provide that skillset. The Ravens have bookend guards doing exactly that.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

You can take a big slow college RT and move him inside and provide that skillset.

Now why didn't we think of that?

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by RS12

Dont think so. I always thought this draft would go 1) DL 2) S/skill 3) OL, now I really think that. I definitely dont think OL unless by some miracle Fisher or Johnson is there at 18. DL has to be round one because Spencer is gone and they didnt have the bodies there to start with.

Then if you don’t have the bodies to start with (or very nearly) then you shouldn’t be attempting the move to a Kiffin 4-3 scheme in one year.

What happens if you don’t get the guys you want in the draft?

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by TheCount

Now why didn't we think of that?

We tried. Brewster. He didn't pan out.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

What would be sarcastic? That Warmack is short, fat slow footed phone booth guy? He's all those things. He's 6'2", plays with a huge gunt hanging over his belt and he ran a 5.5 among the slowest of all offensive linemen at the Combine. He's going to struggle in the NFL in space blocking athletic linebackers on the 2nd level, he's going to probably be a liability in the screen game and he's going to be a bad fit in any zone blocking system. He's not nearly the all around player that Steve Hutchinson was who could dominate in-line and on the move. Again, those phonebooth blocker skillsets are just generally not that rare. You can take a big slow college RT and move him inside and provide that skillset. The Ravens have bookend guards doing exactly that.

so you are smarter then all those PROs that say Warmack is a top player. Congratualtions on the days HUBRIS award

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

What would be sarcastic? That Warmack is short, fat slow footed phone booth guy? He's all those things. He's 6'2", plays with a huge gunt hanging over his belt and he ran a 5.5 among the slowest of all offensive linemen at the Combine. He's going to struggle in the NFL in space blocking athletic linebackers on the 2nd level, he's going to probably be a liability in the screen game and he's going to be a bad fit in any zone blocking system. He's not nearly the all around player that Steve Hutchinson was who could dominate in-line and on the move. Again, those phonebooth blocker skillsets are just generally not that rare. You can take a big slow college RT and move him inside and provide that skillset. The Ravens have bookend guards doing exactly that.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. You're looking at the 40 time of guard and making a complete judgement of what type of player he is. That's real smart.....are you sure you're not a professional scout? Watch the slide drills and the pull drill from the combine. His feet are perfectly fine for a guard in any scheme.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

so you are smarter then all those PROs that say Warmack is a top player. Congratualtions on the days HUBRIS award

I don't care about what internet draft dorks say about him, I care about what NFL front offices say about him, and they're going to say that a limited athlete guard who couldn't play tackle in his wildest dreams isn't worth a Top 20 pick ... just like they did with DeCastro last year, despite your insistence that "Pros" thought he was the bestestest guard who ever guarded in the history of the draft.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I don't care about what internet draft dorks say about him, I care about what NFL front offices say about him, and they're going to say that a limited athlete guard who couldn't play tackle in his wildest dreams isn't worth a Top 20 pick ... just like they did with DeCastro last year, despite your insistence that "Pros" thought he was the bestestest guard who ever guarded in the history of the draft.

well I just got done watching the combine on my DVR and you are full of crap on Warmack.

huge 'gunt'?
BS

Slow? Maybe in the 40 but you think that is important and that is BS.
His 10 which is far more important for a OL guy was only about .07 slower then cooper.

His footwork looked great.

And by the way all the guys at the NFL combine say the same.

So take your 'expert' opinion and take a hike

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by Vintage

We tried. Brewster. He didn't pan out.

Brewster was drafted to be a tackle, he just sucked at life. But to hear it told, you could just draft any fat tackle and have our very own Carl Nicks!

[Idgit]

Why is everybody getting so worked up over one poster's take on a player not even likely to ever be on our team? There are high picks every season who never make it in the NFL. He's making a good argument, even if you don't agree. What's the big deal?

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Why is everybody getting so worked up over one poster's take on a player not even likely to ever be on our team? There are high picks every season who never make it in the NFL. He's making a good argument, even if you don't agree. What's the big deal?

Because it's draft season? What else is there to talk about?

Don't look now but 99% of the players being discussed on these forums will not be on the Cowboys next year.

[DFWJC]

For our scheme, it would not surprise me if we have Cooper rated higher than Warmack.
But who knows for sure...

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I don't care about what internet draft dorks say about him, I care about what NFL front offices say about him, and they're going to say that a limited athlete guard who couldn't play tackle in his wildest dreams isn't worth a Top 20 pick ... just like they did with DeCastro last year, despite your insistence that "Pros" thought he was the bestestest guard who ever guarded in the history of the draft.

If you're saying he won't be drafted in the top 20, I'll take that bet.