Talking cowboys 2/20

[TheSport78]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

That's a risky proposition.

IMO it's also risky to sign Spencer to a long-term deal, expecting him to consistently play at a high level while changing positions at the same time.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Sometimes you have to make tough decisions.

Does Spencer do more for the team than the two upgrades along the OL that could be had with the same amount of money?

I don't think he does.

You make a very good point.

[DezBRomo9]

After the season ended, and before Kiffin was hired I was up for keeping Spencer. Now, I'd rather let him walk, along with the guys that don't fit this system, I.e. Jenkins, Spencer, Spears, Coleman and Sensabaugh. Give me young hungry defensive players in the second and third day. Spend a little bit of money to keep Albright, and Sims and add someone at SLB and LE like Roach and Idonije both former Bears. Focus on OL, DL, and safety in the draft. Cut Free and let Costa go. Let Kiffin teach and give Romo some real NFL Olineman.

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

Signing spencer would probably affect the Cowboys ability to resign Dez, Carter, Lee


I am all for resigning Dez. Right now, Lee is a maybe. He has been injury-prone and I am not sure we want to tie up money on a guy who is always Injured. Carter has 2 years left on his Contract. Do not resign/extend him until after 2013. If Carter is out for some games this year, then an extension needs to really be discussed/investigated. I want players on the field not on the sidelines.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

* On Romo, You take his 16.7 mil and stretch that over the length of a 5-6 yr deal and you can reduce his deal to about 5-6 mil for 2013.

Romo has 5.3M remaining against 2013 from previous restructuring bonus money. That means that his 2013 cap hit would be 5.3M if he signed new contract for $1 per year.

Most likely his new contract has a cap hit of 5M to 6M plus the existing 5.3M (i.e. about 10M to 11M total).

I used 12M for Romo's cap hit in my calculations where I show them being 18M under the cap.

[conner01]

you could replace spencer in the draft, but thats one other position you don't get to address in the draft.
with the needs we have adding more just makes it that much harder to fill them. we won't have a lot of free agent money so those top 4 picks have to be hits, and if you add de to the list of plyers we need then one of those needs obviously gets pushed back to 5th or 6th rnds which means you have to get very lucky to find a guy ready to contribute

[visionary]

Originally Posted by conner01

you could replace spencer in the draft, but thats one other position you don't get to address in the draft.
with the needs we have adding more just makes it that much harder to fill them. we won't have a lot of free agent money so those top 4 picks have to be hits, and if you add de to the list of plyers we need then one of those needs obviously gets pushed back to 5th or 6th rnds which means you have to get very lucky to find a guy ready to contribute

not sure what you mean

how do you think we intend to pay spencer (if we do) if not from our cap money (which is another name for free agent money)?

this is what many of us have been saying, by not signing spencer we are not "creating a hole", that hole already exists because spencer is a FA and not under contract. there are many ways to fill this hole: we can resign spencer with FA money, sign another FA, or draft someone, or fill in with someone already on the roster

[SWG9]

Originally Posted by Future

While I don't disagree that we need to be thinking about the future, I think some might be thinking that Carter and Lee are going to get massive contracts. The reality is that neither one has played a full season, and neither has shown the ability to do so.

Neither is going to get a huge contract without at least 2 healthy seasons under their belt, I wouldn't think.

Yeah, that's exactly the mentality that I'd have as well. We don't know if either of these guys can stay healthy, we don't know if either will be as good in a 4-3, and we don't know if we'll be able to find cheaper alternatives through the draft or FA as replacements down the road, among other things.

No reason to worry about possible extensions for either of these guys right now.

[Future]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Carter not so much; but Lee has had 2 straight seasons with injuries. He might be one that you need to see more of.

Carter missed a lot of time his rookie year with injuries as well.

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

How many pro bowls has spencer really EARNED? One at best.
How many ALL PRO teams has Ware EARNED?
So anyone comparing Spencer to Ware is smoking something very strong.

Ware has proven himself a top ELITE player for how many years?

Vs Almost Anthony.

$7-8 million a year is the absolute limit they should go with on Spencer. No more.

And he would not be THAT hard to replace since going by 80% of his career he is nothing special.

Broaddus wasnt comparing them in terms of production. But in terms of money. Asking if you could afford two Des making Wares type of money.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Little Jr

Lol the probowl is a joke. Jeff Saturday made it and he was benched for his back up during the season. So to answer your question, no it doesn't mean much. When everyone is healthy on the cowboys d spencer is at very best the 3rd best player on our d and that could be debatable. Again I don't think he's garbage I just wouldn't sign him fo big money. I rather use that money somwhere else like maybe ol.

He replaced Clay Matthew and not Eric Walden. Spencer did not make it in on reputation like a Saturday or Larry Allen did for years.

And while it may be fun to pretend otherwise. health plays into evaluations. Regardless the only player that is certainly better than Spencer is Ware. Ratliff's peak was 3 years ago and Carr is what he is.

For all of your assertions about the probowl being a joke, the HoF selectors respectfully disagree.

And again what OL are you doing to spend the money on that is going to be more cost efficient. You are rejecting signing Spencer outright without any plan in place. Hoping that there will be a OL that is worth that risk is available is not a plan.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

* Rowan: i have a hard time seeing hatcher coming off the bench. With the yr he had hard to see him not being a starter.

I totally agree with this. Hatcher was our best lineman last year and has played well the past two.

I think (if we resign Spencer), the lineup will be Ware, Hatcher, Ratliff, Spencer. If not, it will be Ware, Ratliff, Lissemore, Hatcher. (Lissemore might be replaced by first-round pick or vet in that lineup.)

I don't see Dallas counting on Crawford to start at this time.

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

I totally agree with this. Hatcher was our best lineman last year and has played well the past two.

I think (if we resign Spencer), the lineup will be Ware, Hatcher, Ratliff, Spencer. If not, it will be Ware, Ratliff, Lissemore, Hatcher. (Lissemore might be replaced by first-round pick or vet in that lineup.)

I don't see Dallas counting on Crawford to start at this time.

Broaddus and mickey always talk about Crawford and the Coaches like him in this scheme. I think you might see Crawford take over if Spencer is gone.