What is the likely term of Josh Brent's suspension?

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

So then we should just lock him up forever? You think that jail works as a deterrent?

You seem convinced that anyone suggesting jail has to be vindictive (some are.)

Nor do you seem very cool by arguing either no jail or life sentence without parole.

A manslaugher conviction very likely is going to involve jail time.

If were were talking about damages without anyone getting killed or maimed, non-jail penalties are something a jury could consider.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

You seem convinced that anyone suggesting jail has to be vindictive (some are.)

Nor do you seem very cool by arguing either no jail or life sentence without parole.

A manslaugher conviction very likely is going to involve jail time.

If were were talking about damages without anyone getting killed or maimed, non-jail penalties are something a jury could consider.

Nor do you seem very cool by ignoring the central portion of my argument: the deterrent effect. You going to continue to ignore it or grandstand on a following argument based on the deterrence?

I asked what people get out of it. If you don't think it's an effective deterrent or rehabilitator then.... People were talking about justice. It's not hard to figure out.

And as I pointed out, there have been two other recent vehicular manslaughter cases in Tarrant County one of which where 2 people were killed and neither resulted in jail time but rather 10 years of probation. I also doubt that those victim's families filed briefs asking for leniency.

Originally Posted by you

Past behavior is one of the few ways to predict future behavior.

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Nor do you seem very cool by ignoring the central portion of my argument: the deterrent effect. You going to continue to ignore it or grandstand on a following argument based on the deterrence?

???

Grandstanding?

I'm not the one determining the sentence, but you are demanding no jail time and emoting about it.

Serious crimes have serious consequences (i.e. jail time)

We could have silly arguments that nothing deters murders because they happen all the time, etc., etc., for all kinds of other crimes.


Maybe you should start a thread on prison reform - this thread is supposed to be on Josh Brent.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

???

Grandstanding?

I'm not the one determining the sentence, but you are demanding no jail time and emoting about it.

Serious crimes have serious consequences (i.e. jail time)

We could have silly arguments that nothing deters murders because they happen all the time, etc., etc., for all kinds of other crimes.


Maybe you should start a thread on prison reform - this thread is supposed to be on Josh Brent.

Crimes have arbitrary consequences based on what the lawmakers created. We have been over what recent similar court cases have resulted in in that jurisdiction.

What benefit is there to you for Josh Brent to go to jail? That is what the question is and you keep ducking and dodging. You were the one that brought up past performance predicting future performance. I agree, someone that has drank and driven in the past is more likely to do so again then someone who has not.

So again what benefit is there to Josh Brent going to jail?

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

What benefit is there to you for Josh Brent to go to jail?

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So again what benefit is there to Josh Brent going to jail?

The fact that he was driving between 110 - 134 mph with a blood alcohol level of twice the legal limit is absolutely terrifying.

This is just a year after he finished probation for his previous drunk driving conviction.

Basically he is a menace to society. I know this is a Dallas Cowboy and a valuable player on the team but who the heck would ever want to be on the road with this guy coming up behind you?

I don't know if some Jail time is going to change Josh Brent... however, I believe he deserves at least some time in the clink for his crimes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

The fact that he was driving between 110 - 134 mph with a blood alcohol level of twice the legal limit is absolutely terrifying.

This is just a year after he finished probation for his previous drunk driving conviction.

Basically he is a menace to society. I know this is a Dallas Cowboy and a valuable player on the team but who the heck would ever want to be on the road with this guy coming up behind you?

I don't know if some Jail time is going to change Josh Brent... however, I believe he deserves at least some time in the clink for his crimes.

You don't know that it will do anyone any good but you just want to see him punished?

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You don't know that it will do anyone any good but you just want to see him punished?

I want him punished for continuing to endanger others by getting behind the wheel drunk and driving like a maniac.

A year of jail might just provide Josh enough time to contemplate the consequences of his crimes and actually consider trying fixing his problems.

The probation, going to AA, and community service hours didn't seem to do much for Josh Brent last time around.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You don't know that it will do anyone any good but you just want to see him punished?

If he sees 6 months in jail, that is a guaranteed 6 months that he is not behind the wheel while intoxicated. That has to be good for someone(society) at least to some point.

He drank, he drove and someone lost their life. Putting him in jail doesn't bring that life back. Still jail time is one form of punishment that can be an option to use. He should be punished. How much and to what extent is the question? No one should be able to do what he did without any form of punishment.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You don't know that it will do anyone any good but you just want to see him punished?

It has changed many people lives spending time in jail. I Did 30 days myself and came to the conclusion that my life needed to be changed and the change started with me not looking to scape goat anyone else but change what I do.

Will jail change him? That is really up to him but yes he deserves punishment for what he has done.

What you think he should just walk away from all of this with no consequences for his actions?

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Crimes have arbitrary consequences based on what the lawmakers created. We have been over what recent similar court cases have resulted in in that jurisdiction.

What benefit is there to you for Josh Brent to go to jail? That is what the question is and you keep ducking and dodging. You were the one that brought up past performance predicting future performance. I agree, someone that has drank and driven in the past is more likely to do so again then someone who has not.

So again what benefit is there to Josh Brent going to jail?

He definitely won't DUI while incarcerated.

Your definition of "dodge" seems to be I've failed to agree with you that jail will do no good....sorry - we simply disagree on that - don't call disagreement dodging.

Fact is, some people never learn no matter what, but still part of the rationale for punishment is to provide a reality check...jail is one of the more serious varieties.

[LynnFoster]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

They may very well be disappointed because he has hired that Royce guy who is buddy buddy with all the local prosecutors.

Social issues aside, the quality of Brent's legal team is the key to this IMO. He has a very good attorney that will be able to presell a deal that the DA finds acceptable. I can definitely see a situation where Brent gets jail time but the bulk of the penalty (and it will be stiff) is in probation, restitution to the family and community service. There are also cases like this where the jail time is broken in several stretches that would coincide with the offseason, which would not limit his ability to play. The attorney's argument will be that he needs to play in order to restitution through his NFL paycheck.

Good, bad or indifferent I think that Brent will get significant playing time next season. I also wouldn't hazard a guess on the Cowboys draft right now but I can see the team thinking they will get enough from Brent and even Ben Bass next season that they go OG and FS in their first two picks in the draft.

[Zimmy Lives]

Originally Posted by LynnFoster

Social issues aside, the quality of Brent's legal team is the key to this IMO. He has a very good attorney that will be able to presell a deal that the DA finds acceptable. I can definitely see a situation where Brent gets jail time but the bulk of the penalty (and it will be stiff) is in probation, restitution to the family and community service. There are also cases like this where the jail time is broken in several stretches that would coincide with the offseason, which would not limit his ability to play. The attorney's argument will be that he needs to play in order to restitution through his NFL paycheck.

Good, bad or indifferent I think that Brent will get significant playing time next season. I also wouldn't hazard a guess on the Cowboys draft right now but I can see the team thinking they will get enough from Brent and even Ben Bass next season that they go OG and FS in their first two picks in the draft.

I agree Brent will get significant playing time if he doesn't do jail time. I don't think, however, that having a jail-free Brent will preclude the Cowboys from drafting a d-lineman in the 1st or 2nd round; he is on borrowed time.

[rbr651]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

You don't know that it will do anyone any good but you just want to see him punished?

What's good for the offender is not taken into account during sentencing. This is apparent when you look at the percentage of repeat offenders that are in and out of prison their entire lives. And by the way Brent is a repeat offender. Prison just isn't beneficial to the vast majority of people, what should we do with them, not sentence them to prison either? Bottom line is when rehabilitation doesn't work then you punish, punishment may not work but oh well, there needs to be penalties in place that are enforced, especially when somebody is murdered, call it manslaughter if you want, but he was drunk and knowingly decided to drive. The most you can hope for is that it's a deterrent to the next person .

[LynnFoster]

Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives

I agree Brent will get significant playing time if he doesn't do jail time. I don't think, however, that having a jail-free Brent will preclude the Cowboys from drafting a d-lineman in the 1st or 2nd round; he is on borrowed time.

Agree that it doesn't preclude a DL pick, I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me to see the team take other positions in the first two rounds. It would surprise me if fans didn't go nuts in that scenario though.

Not sure Brent is on borrowed time however, IMO they would have already cut ties with him if that was the case.

[Zimmy Lives]

Originally Posted by LynnFoster

Agree that it doesn't preclude a DL pick, I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me to see the team take other positions in the first two rounds. It would surprise me if fans didn't go nuts in that scenario though.

Not sure Brent is on borrowed time however, IMO they would have already cut ties with him if that was the case.

If they had someone to replace him they would!