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Hostile · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Qcard

Amazing what this thread has turned into.

My sig pic is better than yours.

adbutcher · 06-07-2004

ROFLMAO! That was the funniest story I ever heard. Thanks I needed that because to day has been very hectic.

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Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

My last driver liscence pic was that way.....I was sitting there waiting for the pic and let one rip...it was louder then I expected and she had a shocked look and I just started to laugh and with a red embarrased face when she took the picture.

Now I do NOT drink and drive and do not condone that at all (rare for me to drink at all) however after looking at the pic I thought if I ever did look drunk...they could look at my liscence and just think that is how I always look.

I called it my drunk artist pic...it was pretty good.

Now on to other things...your comparison was not even remotely close to what hos was doing.

Charles · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Hostile

My sig pic is better than yours.

Not according to Mickey

Hostile · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Qcard

Not according to Mickey

Yeah, but I always liked Donald Duck better.

Jimz31 · 06-07-2004

Hos,

I'm not going to get into it like some of these other guys are with you, however, 2 things you brought up that can't be told from a still picture....

At the time of the picture, Q's arm is not locked or anything, yet how do we know that he wasn't in motion to get it just like Vinnie's.

You mentioned the height of the ball.....yet we don't see the height of the runner, so this would be impossible from this still picture, to determine if it was the correct height or not.

Also. the angle of the ball.....where is the runner? It would be much easier to tell if we could see the runner to determine if this was incorrect, we can't tell if the runner is runningto the left or anything OR if Quincy got the ball turned the correct way for the RB. BTW, I highly doubt that there is ANY QB in the NFL that gives the ball to the RB with the point hitting them in the belly.

Analysis is good for a point in time....with this I agree with you, but analysis without the ensuing pictures or more information is only as good as the period of time in which the picture was taken......which is only a split second.

For the record, your analysis is correct with what is in the picture, but we all know that we need more info. to determine if his mechanics are truly flawed in this play.

flashback · 06-07-2004

Maybe Hambrick wasn't that bad after all. Maybe Quincy was just looking down too far when he handed the ball off, and this caused Troy to trip over the LOS.

AdamJT13 · 06-07-2004

Maybe the only real difference is that Vinny is a split-second ahead of Carter in the drill. They appear to be taking snaps and handing off/faking handoffs to ghosts. Do we know for a fact that the centers snapped the ball at the exact same moment? Do we know for a fact that they were going off the same cadence, or if they each using their own cadence?

Unless you know for a fact where each player should be at that specific moment, there isn't much you can glean from photos.

Erik_H · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Maybe the only real difference is that Vinny is a split-second ahead of Carter in the drill. They appear to be taking snaps and handing off/faking handoffs to ghosts. Do we know for a fact that the centers snapped the ball at the exact same moment? Do we know for a fact that they were going off the same cadence, or if they each using their own cadence?

Unless you know for a fact where each player should be at that specific moment, there isn't much you can glean from photos.

Yeah, but it's still kinda fun!

Hostile · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Jimz31

Hos,

I'm not going to get into it like some of these other guys are with you, however, 2 things you brought up that can't be told from a still picture....

At the time of the picture, Q's arm is not locked or anything, yet how do we know that he wasn't in motion to get it just like Vinnie's.

You mentioned the height of the ball.....yet we don't see the height of the runner, so this would be impossible from this still picture, to determine if it was the correct height or not.

Also. the angle of the ball.....where is the runner? It would be much easier to tell if we could see the runner to determine if this was incorrect, we can't tell if the runner is runningto the left or anything OR if Quincy got the ball turned the correct way for the RB. BTW, I highly doubt that there is ANY QB in the NFL that gives the ball to the RB with the point hitting them in the belly.

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Thanks for being a civil critic. Nice change of pace.

I stand by what I said. Place whatever worth upon it that you want.

Hostile · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

Maybe the only real difference is that Vinny is a split-second ahead of Carter in the drill. They appear to be taking snaps and handing off/faking handoffs to ghosts. Do we know for a fact that the centers snapped the ball at the exact same moment? Do we know for a fact that they were going off the same cadence, or if they each using their own cadence?

Unless you know for a fact where each player should be at that specific moment, there isn't much you can glean from photos.

I am referencing one against the other as this is a side by side "ghost drill." The snap or simulation is done on a coach's barked order.

jay cee · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

I don't think there is anything riduculous involved in any of the analysis here.

TH and others have pointed out to those of us who haven't PLAYED football, what it even is you should be, or could be, looking for in a particular mechanical drill.

For years I worked at the school where the Pats trained and saw countless, countless practice sessions. I used to write reports on them for the Pats fans at TSN, but knew I had very very little understanding of how to even watch a drill, what I should even be looking for. I wish I had been able to give the kind of insight TH and others have here.

Regardless of how a snapshot in time relates to a prior and latter series of actions, I find it fascinating that so much info can be gleaned from one photo. And whether TH is "right" or "wrong" in his assessment is irrelevant, imo, (tho I suspect his takes are on target).

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Great Post LaTuna, I don't see why so many people have to find reasons to argue. I was kind of being sarcastic when I said I wanted to thank hostile for his analysis before the bashing began. I thought he was being overly sensitive, I really did not think anyone would give him a hard time over it.

jay cee · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Jimz31

Hos,

I'm not going to get into it like some of these other guys are with you, however, 2 things you brought up that can't be told from a still picture....

At the time of the picture, Q's arm is not locked or anything, yet how do we know that he wasn't in motion to get it just like Vinnie's.

You mentioned the height of the ball.....yet we don't see the height of the runner, so this would be impossible from this still picture, to determine if it was the correct height or not.

Also. the angle of the ball.....where is the runner? It would be much easier to tell if we could see the runner to determine if this was incorrect, we can't tell if the runner is runningto the left or anything OR if Quincy got the ball turned the correct way for the RB. BTW, I highly doubt that there is ANY QB in the NFL that gives the ball to the RB with the point hitting them in the belly.

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Excellent points Jimz, adam, and Hostile. It's cool to get different views. And not just mindless attacks.

AdamJT13 · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Hostile

I am referencing one against the other as this is a side by side "ghost drill." The snap or simulation is done on a coach's barked order.

And you're positive about that?

Was it full-speed, half-speed, or slow-motion?

What was the purpose of the drill? Was it practicing handoffs? Practicing play-action drops? Or something else?

Hostile · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by AdamJT13

And you're positive about that?

Was it full-speed, half-speed, or slow-motion?

What was the purpose of the drill? Was it practicing handoffs? Practicing play-action drops? Or something else?

Yes, I am positive about it.

Full speed probably. If it was half speed then it is even more troubling. Moving slower you should be thinking clearer, and thus doing everything textbook because you would know that the eyes were on you.

This kind of drill can serve many purposes. The main one I am familiar with is mechanics, because that is what I used to teach.

It is sometimes called a "comparison reference drill." This means that the coaching staff can go look at the film and get a reference as to who does what better.

That is the only reason for the side by side running of the same drill. So that you can reference one player against the other. Which is exactly what I did. I have done it from video, in real time right on the practice field, and by still pictures. It is not rare at all. Otherwise you simply have each player run the same number of reps.

This way you get to see 2 frames of reference at the same time.

It's a great tool to be able to use as something to start working on.

Hostile · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by jay cee

Excellent points Jimz, adam, and Hostile. It's cool to get different views. And not just mindless attacks.

Thanks jay cee. I knew earlier that you were giving me a hard time, but I also knew from past experience the level of doubt.

I find this stuff fun and interesting. If others do too, great. If not well, at least they can gripe about my point of view again.