DeMarcus VS. "big school" - Dallas Cowboys Forum

TheKey · 04-26-2005

I am quoting this off of another board so if it was your info, claim it.

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VS. Marshall (344-lb. OT Nate Griffin) - 3 sacks, 4.5 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles, 2 pressures

VS. Missouri (QB Brad Smith) - 4 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble

VS. South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1 sack, 1 pressure

VS. LSU (330-lb. OT Andrew Whitworth) - 4 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 4 pressures, 1 forced fumble

BTW, 5.5 of Merriman's 8.5 sacks came against weaker teams: Northern Illinois (1), Temple (1), Duke (1), Wake Forest (2.5) ... He was shut out against Florida St, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and NC State.

**trickblue** · 04-26-2005

Good stuff...

Those around here that discount 1-AA and smaller school 1-A talent just don't have a clue...

He have a potential superstar on our hands...

Cajuncowboy · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by trickblue

Good stuff...

Those around here that discount 1-AA and smaller school 1-A talent just don't have a clue...

He have a potential superstar on our hands...

Hey Trick! God Says to "change your pic."

Hoov · 04-26-2005

i like that sig pic a lot TB, actually my favorite of all that you've had since i joined, though i guess its getting old now.

jksmith269 · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by trickblue

Good stuff...

Those around here that discount 1-AA and smaller school 1-A talent just don't have a clue...

He have a potential superstar on our hands...

I think Jerry Rice proved that rather Nicely. Didn't TO also come from a small school llike that?

jksmith269 · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by Hoov

i like that sig pic a lot TB, actually my favorite of all that you've had since i joined, though i guess its getting old now.

Yeah I'd say he needs to update it most preachers update theirs weekly.....

Rush 2112 · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by jksmith269

I think Jerry Rice proved that rather Nicely. Didn't TO also come from a small school llike that?

What a stupid question

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Just kidding!!!

Where did that kid go? East Tennessee?

**trickblue** · 04-26-2005

Geez... everyone's a critic...

Is this new sig better?

Muhast · 04-26-2005

Jerry Rice.... Terell Owens....Walter Payton... PETE HUNTER

haha 4 of the all time greats from small schools.

Cajuncowboy · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by trickblue

Geez... everyone's a critic...

Is this new sig better?

LOL. Way better.

Love the P.S.

Danny is such a dolt.

Cbz40 · 04-26-2005

Nice change TB.....lol

Dayton Cowboy · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by Rush 2112

What a stupid question

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Just kidding!!!

Where did that kid go? East Tennessee?

actually I think TO went to University of Tennessee-Chattanooga

zagnut · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by TheKey

I am quoting this off of another board so if it was your info, claim it.

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VS. Marshall (344-lb. OT Nate Griffin) - 3 sacks, 4.5 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles, 2 pressures

VS. Missouri (QB Brad Smith) - 4 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble

VS. South Carolina - 3 tackles, 1 sack, 1 pressure

VS. LSU (330-lb. OT Andrew Whitworth) - 4 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 4 pressures, 1 forced fumble

BTW, 5.5 of Merriman's 8.5 sacks came against weaker teams: Northern Illinois (1), Temple (1), Duke (1), Wake Forest (2.5) ... He was shut out against Florida St, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and NC State.

Don't wish to kill anyone's buzz as I'm not anti-Ware. I've said it before several times - Ware was a DE and Merriman was mostly a LB. Do y'all understand Merriman wasn't rushing the passer even 1/3 of the time that Ware was and yet he still finished with just 2 fewer sacks.

DEs in almost all cases get more sacks than LBs. This is not news. They also typically get more tackles for a loss. One of the main job responsibilities of a DE is to beat the OL and get to the QB or RB. (2004 Dallas Cowboys defense excluded of course.) As the OL sets up behind the line of scrimmage, a DE should typically get his fair share of opportunities for tackles for a loss. And since the are rushing the passer on a fairly consistent basis, DEs will have significantly more opportunities for QB hurries since LBs can only get a "hurry" when they blitz and may not blitz at all in some games.

Merriman had little impact vs nationally ranked Fla St and VA Tech for whatever reason, but he was no more shut out vs UVA or NC State than Ware was vs LSU.

NC St - 16 tackles (9 solo), 1 Pass Defensed, 1.5 TFL.
UVA - 10 tackles (6 solo), 1 Fumble recovered, 1 TFL.

Ware meanwhile was shut out vs Middle Tennessee St (2 tackles, .5 TFL), Idaho (2 tackles, 2 pressures), and New Mexico St (4 tackles, 1 TFL). 6 of his 10.5 sacks came in 2 games against weak teams. That means he had 4.5 sacks over the remaining 10 games.

By the way, Marshall and Northern Illinois both play in the MAC. Why is Marshall strong but NIU is weak? Guess which team went 9-3 last year, beat Troy 34-21 in their Bowl and held Ware sackless.

In any case, people will get to see both players soon enough and actually form an opinion on them based on observation. Should be a novel phenomenon.

**trickblue** · 04-26-2005

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Originally Posted by zagnut

Don't wish to kill anyone's buzz as I'm not anti-Ware. I've said it before several times - Ware was a DE and Merriman was mostly a LB. Do y'all understand Merriman wasn't rushing the passer even 1/3 of the time that Ware was and yet he still finished with just 2 fewer sacks.

DEs in almost all cases get more sacks than LBs. This is not news. They also typically get more tackles for a loss. One of the main job responsibilities of a DE is to beat the OL and get to the QB or RB. (2004 Dallas Cowboys defense excluded of course.) As the OL sets up behind the line of scrimmage, a DE should typically get his fair share of opportunities for tackles for a loss. And since the are rushing the passer on a fairly consistent basis, DEs will have significantly more opportunities for QB hurries since LBs can only get a "hurry" when they blitz and may not blitz at all in some games.

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You can make the same exact case for many premiere players at the college level...

Many times the star players act as decoy and let other players get the job done...

Good research on your numbers... but many times numbers can't relay the game situation or the opponent's scheme/gameplan...

That being said... I still think we got a premiere player... he has nothing but upside...

I hope he is mentioned among our greats 20 years down the road...

Billy Bullocks · 04-26-2005

jerry rice....walter payton....marshal faulk......larry allen.....la'roi glover....just to name a few guys who didnt play at big time schools