Are we that desperate for a FS - Page 4 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

HardHittin'Witten · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The signs point to Davis right now. Scott may have the experience, but Davis is slowly earning his way up, while Scott is swiftly earning his way back to ST.

Exactly. I'm all about giving this kid a shot. He was impressive in NFL Europe. If our pass rush can improve, we don't need a Pro-Bowler back there. We have definitely made the moves to improve the pass rush.

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Consider for a moment how he's able to get nine INT's. There's four defensive lineman that hurry the QB into a bad pass. There's three more linebackers that neutralize his interior targets (TE, FB, HB) and then there are the three other DB's that suppress the WR's. Ten other players doing their job and that makes Reed's job easier. So, he can get those INT's when he's able to capitalize on his teammates shut down abilities.

That is not indicative of Reed's talent, but those of who is around him.

Point, me.

Your point is startlingly similar to that of the trolls who used to love to come into the Cowboys' newsgroup, telling us all about how Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith weren't really that great, they were just surrounded by superior talent... note that I'm not accusing you of trolling, I'm merely pointing out others who have employed your logic...

My personal opinion is that if a guy consistently makes plays in the NFL, that makes him a playmaker... the quality of his surrounding cast has absolutely nothing to do with that... in fact, it's entirely possible that the quality of Reed's supporting cast was enhanced because of his skills...

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by mickgreen58

Yeah, Michael Huff is not bad. He is a local kid from Irving and would be a good fit. I have a funny story about talking to him online while playing Madden football, but I cant repeat it here LOL.

- Mike G.

By all means, PM me with it... don't be afraid to use off-color language, I speak fluent Vulgar...

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Couldn't disagree more. He may have played SS in NFLE, but that doesn't make it his natural position (any more than the fact that Roy played FS here). Keith is a speedy, freelancing type player,

Actually, Davis' speed is only average, in the 4.5-4.55 second range...

Note that I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a look at FS, I'm just saying that he's a long way from a safe bet to succeed at that position...

Crown Royal · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by silverbear

Actually, Davis' speed is only average, in the 4.5-4.55 second range...

Note that I'm not saying he doesn't deserve a look at FS, I'm just saying that he's a long way from a safe bet to succeed at that position...

OK I can agree with that. I think putting him there is a risk, and he is no sure thing. But I do like his fire and ability to get around the ball, and I think it is a risk we should take (considering the money we have spent this offseason). Like it has been said elsewhere - we don't need a world beater, we need a solid player....I hope he can be that.

Seriously -the key word is....

Soliiiiid.....

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Soooo....Reed's got numbers because other players screwed up. So much for his success being the product of great play by everyone else....

Sure does look like ol' KD's trying to argue both sides of the argument, doesn't it??

One second, he's telling us that Reed is only so highly rated because he's surrounded by such good players, the next he's telling us that Reed only posted such high tackle totals because the other players on that D missed so many tackles...

How so many good defensive players could miss so many tackles, I can't quite figure out... this latter argument actually makes it sound like Reed has been covering for his teammates' deficiencies, which is of course the exact opposite argument from his original stance...

I'm starting to think that KD is one of them contrarians you keep hearing about... he just seems to like taking controversial positions, just to see what kind of reaction he can provoke... this is fine, everybody's entitled to have fun in their own way, but he does so at risk of damaging his credibility if he ever feels like engaging in serious football talk... talk enough outrageous trash, and folks will NEVER take you seriously...

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by mperfection

This has to be one of the most sensible posts I've read on this board on the subject of FS since the FA signing period began!

Even a blind hawg finds a nut ever' once in a while...

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Ed Reed himself encompasses himself. Refer to my post about putting him on a team that sucks... Statistically, he's rather dominant but I'd still rather see him on the Giants or someteam who has a weak secondary to establish himself as an elite safety.

So, the only way a player can establish himself as "elite" in your eyes is to play well on a BAD team??

What interesting logic...

silverbear · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

OK I can agree with that. I think putting him there is a risk, and he is no sure thing. But I do like his fire and ability to get around the ball, and I think it is a risk we should take (considering the money we have spent this offseason). Like it has been said elsewhere - we don't need a world beater, we need a solid player....I hope he can be that.

Seriously -the key word is....

Soliiiiid.....

Oh, I think there's a place on the roster for Davis... I just don't know if it's as the starting FS, in fact I rather doubt that... I have a soft spot for the guy for the way he made it all the way back after getting shot, then cut... he didn't give up in the face of all that, he kept working to get back to where he once was...

I admire that...

As for his performance in NFLE, while he was very good over there, so was Duane Hawthorne and James Whalen... strong play by them didn't translate into great success in the NFL, did it??

Given the markedly inferior talent level in that league (compared to the NFL), success there is not an automatic springboard to success in the NFL...

blindzebra · 05-25-2005

We drafted Beriault for a reason people.

Crown Royal · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

We drafted Beriault for a reason people.

To compete? Sure.

blindzebra · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

To compete? Sure.

The guy's a football player, don't be surprised if he wins the job.

Waffle · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by mperfection

Thought to ponder: a ball-hawking (and physical, when necessary) FS could turn a potentially good secondary (like ours) into a dominant one. That's the difference a FS could make.

Merton Hanks, former DB with the 49ers, went from being a virtual unknown CB to being a probowl FS, thanks in part to the 1-year services of Mr. Deion "Prime Time" Sanders.

Not to mention a stupid chicken dance, repeated man love from Chris Berman, and a 22" long neck.

cwbys4evr · 05-25-2005

This year Keith Davis will silence all of you doubters.

KDWilliams85 · 05-25-2005

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Originally Posted by silverbear

So, the only way a player can establish himself as "elite" in your eyes is to play well on a BAD team??

What interesting logic...

It is interesting. You gauge yourself on how well you do in adverse times instead of how well you do when everyone around you is doing good. Roy set himself apart last season when everyone around him was getting beaten. He's an elite safety.

Ed Reed has had the luxury of a cohesive and lethal defense for his career.