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Hostile · 05-29-2005

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Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Then enlighten me. What is your point? If it has anything to do with Hunter being a headcase and not doing what he's asked of him, my interpretation is dead on.

If it's about how he's not good enough to play, my interpretation is dead on.

If it's about how he's a moo-cow, then I'm wrong.

Congratulations, you went 0 for 3.

Hunter has no one to blame if he fails other than himself. Not one single solitary other person.

I never said he was a headcase. I said he was foolish. Take a look at the character issue floating around Big D lately. You think it's smart to see and read those things then bring your character into question? It's downright foolish.

Ever heard of Brian Piccolo? Coming out of college he was the top rusher in the NCAA. You'd think he had a straight path to a job going to the Bears who needed a RB badly. Only problem was the Bears drafted Gale Sayers and he was simply more talented. It didn't mean that Piccolo wasn't talented or unappreciated.

Do you know what Brian Piccolo did so that he could get on the field? He converted to FB. A whole lot less glamorous than HB. Just as vital to a team in many regards.

Hunter had the same chance. He chose instead to raise a red flag with fans, media, teammates, and coaches. Foolish.

Especially when the bell word in Dallas is character. You don't observe that and then prove yours is questionable and expect to not pay the price for your faux pas.

**MichaelWinicki** · 05-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Hostile

Congratulations, you went 0 for 3.

Hunter has no one to blame if he fails other than himself. Not one single solitary other person.

I never said he was a headcase. I said he was foolish. Take a look at the character issue floating around Big D lately. You think it's smart to see and read those things then bring your character into question? It's downright foolish.

Ever heard of Brian Piccolo? Coming out of college he was the top rusher in the NCAA. You'd think he had a straight path to a job going to the Bears who needed a RB badly. Only problem was the Bears drafted Gale Sayers and he was simply more talented. It didn't mean that Piccolo wasn't talented or unappreciated.

Do you know what Brian Piccolo did so that he could get on the field? He converted to FB. A whole lot less glamorous than HB. Just as vital to a team in many regards.

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And just when you started to miss the Major!

KDWilliams85 · 05-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Hostile

Congratulations, you went 0 for 3.

Nah. I'm straight on all points. You're associating him as a failure now. Simply not the case.

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Hunter has no one to blame if he fails other than himself. Not one single solitary other person.

Not true. Have you ever failed a task due to false information? Have you made a mistake because of some bad insight? It's your fault for believing it but it's just as much their fault for submitting faulty information. 1/3

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I never said he was a headcase. I said he was foolish. Take a look at the character issue floating around Big D lately. You think it's smart to see and read those things then bring your character into question? It's downright foolish.

Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? In which case, the fool would be Parcells. 2/3

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Ever heard of Brian Piccolo? Coming out of college he was the top rusher in the NCAA. You'd think he had a straight path to a job going to the Bears who needed a RB badly. Only problem was the Bears drafted Gale Sayers and he was simply more talented. It didn't mean that Piccolo wasn't talented or unappreciated.

That's a matter of personal preference. No bearing here.

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Do you know what Brian Piccolo did so that he could get on the field? He converted to FB. A whole lot less glamorous than HB. Just as vital to a team in many regards.

He's that team player you covet so dearly.

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Hunter had the same chance. He chose instead to raise a red flag with fans, media, teammates, and coaches. Foolish.

Not everyone will handle a situation the way you want them to. That's you being critical of something you quite frankly don't have the capacity to be. 3/3

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Especially when the bell word in Dallas is character. You don't observe that and then prove yours is questionable and expect to not pay the price for your faux pas.

Character is an issue everywhere. Some people just don't have tolerance for the figurative bad apple. He's not a bad apple for voicing his concerns especially since they directly concern him. Way to be supportive of your team. It's easy to dictate to others what you would do in their place. Fortunate for you that you don't have to deal with what he does.

jksmith269 · 05-29-2005

KD read this post...... I think a lot has to do with who reports it.....

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27279

Hostile · 05-29-2005

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Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Nah. I'm straight on all points. You're associating him as a failure now. Simply not the case.

No, that is again your interpretation of it and it is wrong. I never said he was a failure or a headcase. Those are two words you pushed onto my side of the ledger that were not used by me in any circumstance.

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Not true. Have you ever failed a task due to false information? Have you made a mistake because of some bad insight? It's your fault for believing it but it's just as much their fault for submitting faulty information. 1/3

Where's the false information? Who's it coming from? You can't invent it and claim it as your evidence. 0 for 1.

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Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? In which case, the fool would be Parcells. 2/3

I couldn't tell you, I'm not following him, you are. 0 for 2.

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That's a matter of personal preference. No bearing here.

Actually it was a perfect example of sacrifice for the good of the team but it destroyed your argument so you choose to ignore it. Inteligent folks will know the difference.

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He's that team player you covet so dearly.

See, you even admit you know why the example was chosen.

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Not everyone will handle a situation the way you want them to. That's you being critical of something you quite frankly don't have the capacity to be. 3/3

Uh, actually I have the "capacity" to be very critical. You can claim I don't have the "right" to be critical but that has nothing to do with "capacity." I am quite capable of a lot of criticism.

Now as to "right" to be critical you are once again wrong. You see there's a little piece of paper called the Constitution and some more called the Bill of Rights. Nowhere in those documents is there anything that says I don't have a "right" to be critical. 0 for 3.

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Character is an issue everywhere. Some people just don't have tolerance for the figurative bad apple. He's not a bad apple for voicing his concerns especially since they directly concern him. Way to be supportive of your team. It's easy to dictate to others what you would do in their place. Fortunate for you that you don't have to deal with what he does.

Contrary to your sermon, Pete Hunter is not the team. He's a player on the team. It's a subtle difference. It takes a trained mind to grasp it. Sort of like how knowing that the person's name is Jennifer Anniston, not Rachel Green. It's a little thing called reality.

So let's see if I supported the team. Head of the team is Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones. We'll call them management. Management comes to player and asks him to move to Free safety. Player declines. I side with Management. Sounds to me like I indeed am taking the team's side in the matter. Where I come from that is called support.

Believe it or not just because you crumbled under the pressure and burned out not everyone will.

davidyee · 05-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Hostile

No, that is again your interpretation of it and it is wrong. I never said he was a failure or a headcase. Those are two words you pushed onto my side of the ledger that were not used by me in any circumstance.

...this guy has got to let this one go. It's almost no fun bantering with him because you end up dealing with words and interpretations he brings in from left field.

His need to engage on the Hunter issue is almost at a level so personal it's scary. He may possibly be a friend of Hunter's cousin or something so remote, but personal to him.

I had to end it. It's like arguing with Grandpa Simpson as he rambles on to new areas remote to the issue.

Hostile · 05-29-2005

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Originally Posted by davidyee

...this guy has got to let this one go. It's almost no fun bantering with him because you end up dealing with words and interpretations he brings in from left field.

His need to engage on the Hunter issue is almost at a level so personal it's scary. He may possibly be a friend of Hunter's cousin or something so remote, but personal to him.

I had to end it. It's like arguing with Grandpa Simpson as he rambles on to new areas remote to the issue.

I understand why you abandoned the ship. Perhaps I may too soon. Right now I sort of enjoy him making himself look foolish thinking he is coming across so well. You tore him up. jksmith did too. I'm sort of amused by this.

Maybe you are right on him having a personal link to Hunter. I don't think he does though. He's just someone who decided to take a wrong stance and preach it to people who know better. Happens all the time.

LaTunaNostra · 05-29-2005

Pete Hunter, imo, has no Andrew Davison style gripes worth airing (the coach doesn't like me, not giving me a chance, etc), and I doubt he is airing any at this point.

One of the reasons Mario Edwards was so willingly allowed to walk was Bill's faith in Hunter's potential. Of all the young projects here in the past two years, Hunter appears to have gotten more support from Bill than any. Hunter is the player Bill went to bat for with Zim, comparing his developmental time to Marcus Coleman's.

The fact another cb was brought in to start, and one more to ostensibly play nickle does not mean Pete has no shot a'tall. Last year Bill was bit and bit bad..and primarily by injuries, including Hunter's. Having to rely on a kid like Lance Frazier down the stretch..one would hope what last year taught Tuna was you can never have enough players at that position who are indeed ready to come in and produce.

Pete can help himself by appearing willing to diversify his game. Just as any player can..I am convinced Tuna is not going to throw Hunter under any bus provided Pete continues to develop this summer and doesn't make overt waves.

For those who do not recall how Tuna championed this kid, a reprise:

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Hunter's play worth a nickel

After a poor start, he's regained his role in the Cowboys' defense

12:19 AM CST on Saturday, December 27, 2003

By JEAN-JACQUES TAYLOR / The Dallas Morning News

IRVING – Contrary to popular belief, coach Bill Parcells is a patient man. Cornerback Pete Hunter is proof of that.

Banished to the bench in October after a string of poor performances as the Cowboys' nickel cornerback – he covered the slot receiver in schemes that used five or six defensive backs – Hunter received a second chance.

He's made the most of it.

Hunter has played well in three games since he replaced cornerback Derek Ross, who was released on Dec. 2, and regained his role in the Cowboys' defense.

He has six tackles, a pass deflection, an interception and a fumble recovery.

More important, opposing offenses have converted just 11 of 43 (25.5 percent) third-down plays in their last three games.

"With Pete, it's been a process, quite frankly," Parcells said. "[Defensive coordinator] Mike Zimmer and I have talked about this player as much as any player we have. I've seen ability here, but not anywhere near consistent early in the season.

"In fact, it was very erratic. I kept telling Zimmer I had a player just like this once before and not to get impatient because Mike was getting a little impatient with him."

That player was veteran Houston cornerback Marcus Coleman, who played for Parcells with the Jets.

"It took us three years to get this guy going," Parcells said of Coleman. "Once we got him going, it was worth it. You know, Pete made some good plays against Washington and all of a sudden it looks like he's a different guy."

Two weeks ago, in the Cowboys' 27-0 win over Washington, Hunter played his best game, intercepting a pass and recovering a fumble on punt coverage.

"I saw it was an opportunity when Derek got released," Hunter said recently. "I was in the doghouse a little bit earlier this season, so I want to make the most of this chance."

Parcells didn't want to give up on Hunter. Neither did scouting director Larry Lacewell.

Michael Mulvey / DMN
Pete Hunter (47) tackles the Jets' Wayne Chrebet on fourth down ensuring the Cowboys win on Sept. 28.

After all, Hunter has the best combination of size and speed among the cornerbacks. But he played his college ball at tiny Virginia Union, so there has been a considerable transition period because of the better caliber of competition he was playing against.

Parcells and Lacewell also wanted to make sure Hunter had enough opportunities on the field to prove he couldn't play before they severed ties with him.

"He's done a good job," Parcells said. "He's starting to pick it up."

Hunter said he's not surprised he's playing well because he's healthy.

After a fine training camp, Hunter broke his forearm in the first preseason game, but returned for the opener against Atlanta.

It was too soon.

"I had done some conditioning, but I hadn't had any contact until the first game," Hunter said. "When I went to bump the receiver at the line of scrimmage, I felt a sharp pain in my forearm.

"The pain made me tentative. I wasn't bumping the receivers, so they were getting into their routes easier and making plays."

Parcells takes a bottom-line approach to all players. Injuries, Parcells often says, are not an excuse for poor performance.

So after Hunter allowed touchdown passes of 20 yards to Amani Toomer of the Giants in Week 2 and 24 yards to Arizona's Bryan Gilmore in Week 5, Zimmer began losing patience. When Hunter allowed a 27-yard, third-down completion to Freddie Mitchell the following week against Philadelphia and was penalized twice for holding, the second-year cornerback found himself on the bench in the fourth quarter.

And that's where he stayed, except for special teams, until Ross was released.

E-mail jjtaylor@dallasnews

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Now I suppose some will read that and proclaim Pete was "Lacewell's guy", but I'd bet Tuna will be pleased as punch should Pete live up to Bill's faith in him.

It's up to Hunter.

davidyee · 05-29-2005

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davidyee

This is the only time he's spoken out. He's infuriated because the Cowboys wants something out of him that he's not ready to give. That doesn't make him a selfish player. That doesn't make him a headcase. Him holding out of camp or another AB incident would make him as such. He's just spoken out about the situation. He hasn't acted on it yet.

...take a look at the call out I made to you on the thread posted by LTN. It's the Osborn article about Glover's changing role on the Cowboys D. Give us your response to that please.

JackMagist · 05-29-2005

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Regardless of the position he plays, I just hope Hunter gets his head on straight.

Sounds pretty straight to me in this article.

Cajuncowboy · 05-29-2005

WOW. I thought this kind of thing only happened in the political zone. Maybe WG is right. I need to get out more.