Pressure on BP

[sportsman]

to win thiis year. Anything less than the playoffs is not exceptable.
Do you all agree?

[StonetheCrow77]

nope, don't agree... I think if the the team shows a huge improvement, then I can take that... they are playing a lot of new, young players... I expect the playoffs, but if they show fight and improvement... then, I can't complain too much...

[Q_the_man]

I will be highly disappointed to not make the Playoffs, for that fact the NFC championship or Super Bowl....6-10, 7-9 8-8 or even 9-7 is not acceptable. that means we win one week lose the next and that is not cool, Period

[Cajuncowboy]

The thing is, Like Stone said, we have alot of new guys and it takes time to mesh as a unit. For me, I would love to go to the Super Bowl and win it, obviously, but the reality is that we will probably have some struggles early on and then show vast improvement in the second half of the year and MAYBE make the playoffs but in all likleyhood, be a team who just misses them but is on the edge of being a contender.

[KDWilliams85]

To have lofty expectations of any team at this point is irrational and unacceptable. You're not accounting for what could happen. You're taking into account events that already have.

Bottom line: Expectations at this point of the offseason are just stupid to have. Wait until after training camp to have expectations of the Cowboys.

[StonetheCrow77]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

To have lofty expectations of any team at this point is irrational and unacceptable. You're not accounting for what could happen. You're taking into account events that already have.

Bottom line: Expectations at this point of the offseason are just stupid to have. Wait until after training camp to have expectations of the Cowboys.

well, that's a good thing about expectations... they can change with any given circumstance... the circumstances as they stand "should" point to a strong team...

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

To have lofty expectations of any team at this point is irrational and unacceptable. You're not accounting for what could happen. You're taking into account events that already have.

Bottom line: Expectations at this point of the offseason are just stupid to have. Wait until after training camp to have expectations of the Cowboys.

I have to disagree. I think you can have expectations based on some of the moves that were made. For example, If a team is weak on the Defensive line and they sign two stud D linemen I think it is a fair expectation that the productivity goes up. Same for any other area.

Expectations are ok but it's the UNREAL expectations that are really absurd. Like saying this team is going to win the next three Super Bowls is kinda out there. But to seek improvement and expect it, I don't think that's too far fetched.

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

To have lofty expectations of any team at this point is irrational and unacceptable. You're not accounting for what could happen. You're taking into account events that already have.

Bottom line: Expectations at this point of the offseason are just stupid to have. Wait until after training camp to have expectations of the Cowboys.

"Irrational" or not, lofty expectations are the nature of fandom, and even the darkest of the darksider usually breathes unpolluted air before the season opens. "Unacceptable", laugh! Well to whom are lofty expectations unacceptable? Certainly not to Jerry Jones thru Bill Parcells on down to the rookies.

I have the expectation that at age 63 Bill Parcells will do everything possble not to suffer two consecutive losing seasons for the first time in his long career.

I have the expectation the money JJ threw around in offseason will result in more than last offseason's frugality.

I have the expectation what has been termed an A draft by even the perpetually cyncial like Rich Gosselin will bear reasonably ripe fruit.

I have the expectation injury will take its toll, breaks will fall against us as well as for us, our opponents will also be improved, and the unforseeable will raise its head a few times...but that the team will be improved, and demonstrate so.

The expectation that the franchise is on the right track, "stupid" tho it may be is borne of observing with something resembling a clear head and adequately functioning reason.

Enough has happened since January to logically expect a competitive year.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by cajuncowboy

I have to disagree. I think you can have expectations based on some of the moves that were made. For example, If a team is weak on the Defensive line and they sign two stud D linemen I think it is a fair expectation that the productivity goes up. Same for any other area.

Expectations are ok but it's the UNREAL expectations that are really absurd. Like saying this team is going to win the next three Super Bowls is kinda out there. But to seek improvement and expect it, I don't think that's too far fetched.

Not plausible. That's having expectations based on what you have instead of what could/would happen. Given that you can gain aspirations from what you have, but you can't expect anything from them until you have a feasible idea of what you have. Mini-camps don't give you that idea while training camp does.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

To have lofty expectations of any team at this point is irrational and unacceptable.

Fans have expectations for their teams. They have the expectations they desire and not what others believe although some fans will modify their beliefs based on others points of view while others seem to feel they have the answers and need no other input.

Fans expectations are neither irrational or unacceptable in any healthy sense I know of. Perhaps you might suggest they might be a little unrealistic or unreasonable but since no one can really predict the future well then that makes all opinions more or less valid.

You certainly may desire them to hold your opinions but it's not reasonable IMO to expect many to change their opinions to suit you.

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

You're not accounting for what could happen. You're taking into account events that already have.

I'm not certain what that means.

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Bottom line: Expectations at this point of the offseason are just stupid to have.

It is a cognitive distortion to label others opinions as stupid. Generally that arises from an unhealthy narcissistic personality.

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Wait until after training camp to have expectations of the Cowboys.

Changing expectations are often the result of reality but there is no reason not to have some expectations now, during and after camp. I suspect you would deal better with others if you allow them to think for themselves. Of course I'm now guilty for giving unsolicited advice so please forgive.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by jobberone

Fans have expectations for their teams. They have the expectations they desire and not what others believe although some fans will modify their beliefs based on others points of view while others seem to feel they have the answers and need no other input.

You describe aspirations, not expectations.

Fans expectations are neither irrational or unacceptable in any healthy sense I know of. Perhaps you might suggest they might be a little unrealistic or unreasonable but since no one can really predict the future well then that makes all opinions more or less valid.

Irrationality stems from one's lack of clairvoyance. At this point, any circumstance is an assumption governed by wishful thinking rather than an aspiration governed by present events.

You certainly may desire them to hold your opinions but it's not reasonable IMO to expect many to change their opinions to suit you.

I don't expect anyone to hold an opinion similiar to mine. However, I do aspire for someone to share the same view as me.

It is a cognitive distortion to label others opinions as stupid. Generally that arises from an unhealthy narcissistic personality.

Perhaps if I called anyone specific stupid. However, I did not address anyone in such a manner. I addressed the very idea as stupid.

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Changing expectations are often the result of reality but there is no reason not to have some expectations now, during and after camp. I suspect you would deal better with others if you allow them to think for themselves. Of course I'm now guilty for giving unsolicited advice so please forgive.

You're a hypocrite for saying that. To be critical of my view makes you as narcissistic as you claim me to be. And by making that assumption, it makes your take on the subject irrational. Since it is your opinion of such, I won't demean you by saying it isn't valid. But, I will say it is quite worthless.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by sportsman

to win thiis year. Anything less than the playoffs is not exceptable.
Do you all agree?

Sure there is pressure on BP to win this year. It's no different for the other 31 HC's in the league. As for the Cowboys, not making the playoffs would seem like unsuccessful year. Much can happen between now and January however.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

To have lofty expectations of any team at this point is irrational and unacceptable. You're not accounting for what could happen. You're taking into account events that already have.

Bottom line: Expectations at this point of the offseason are just stupid to have. Wait until after training camp to have expectations of the Cowboys.

Jeez, that's just ridiculous.

Parcells: "Hello men. We're shooting for mediocrity unless at Training Camp you really show me something. Then we'll adjust our thinking and raise our goals and expectations."

Once the season ends the goal is to get better. Once you start adding the better personnel expactations rise. Not just for the Head Coach and his staff. They rise everywhere.

To think that Dallas is not looking to be vastly improved with the personnel acquisitions of this off season is myopic at best. You can bet your bottom dollar that the goal upon the completion of last season was the playoffs this year. So far, everything they have done is pointed towards a return there.

The expectations started the day the season ended. You're trying to put your personal viewpoint on the situation and paint everyone into that box. Not going to happen. Sorry, you live in an "irrational and unacceptable" world.

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Jeez, that's just ridiculous.

Parcells: "Hello men. We're shooting for mediocrity unless at Training Camp you really show me something. Then we'll adjust our thinking and raise our goals and expectations."

Once the season ends the goal is to get better. Once you start adding the better personnel expactations rise. Not just for the Head Coach and his staff. They rise everywhere.

To think that Dallas is not looking to be vastly improved with the personnel acquisitions of this off season is myopic at best. You can bet your bottom dollar that the goal upon the completion of last season was the playoffs this year. So far, everything they have done is pointed towards a return there.

[View Full Quote]The expectations started the day the season ended. You're trying to put your personal viewpoint on the situation and paint everyone into that box. Not going to happen. Sorry, you live in an "irrational and unacceptable" world.

[DWAREZ]

I must agree with hostile..I hate when people throw around terms like "logical" and "irrational" with regard to opinions over football matters. To be sure some people argue with a lack of sound reasoning and at times may utilize faulty logic. Yet claims of having "objective" opinions is simply moronic because opinions are subjective by nature.

Fans often argue perspectives out of frustration and not by sheer logic...look at the content of the board 8 months ago and look at the board now. Circumstances and change often shape opinions and responses of fans as they rightly should...but none of us are always logical and consistent if we are honest. Appeals to "objectivity" because your opinions are self-verified as being true does nothing to in concrete reality 'objectify" your opinions.

I do believe everyone has a right to their opinion and to some extent because we have an opinion and some type of reasons for them then we automatically think contradictory opinions are wrong. There is nothing wrong with that but one still must respect anothers right to be wrong in our on eyes because perhaps under further analysis...it was not them who were wrong all along. I disagree with the extremes on both sides, those who think we must adopt every other opinion as equally true with our own and those who think only their opinion is true with an arrogant attitude.

Just so we know...logic is a tool to validate or invalidate arguments and arguments are not true or false...propositions/premises/conclusions are..and the wise logician understands the tools of the trade and the proper execution as such in light of what he/she is after...hopefully the truth and corresponding sound reasoning. But sometimes other factors skew the path to the truth and we may find ourselves holding a false proposition and invalid argument or other variables as mixture. Point is it may be wise to listen and exchange before we tear down anothers perspective..they could assist us when we need it most.