Romo's throwing motion

[Wolverine]

I saw the pic of how Henson held the ball. I think what someone else in here said about how he looked like he wanted to throw left across his body is right.

I went out and threw to my left across my body from the so called normal position like we saw with the other QBs. I was able to make a ok throw. Then I made some throws and held the ball like Henson did in the pic in this thread. I was able to throw it tighter and harder.

I think the reason I threw it harder was cuz I was able to snap my wrist more and put more spin on the ball. You cant get that extra snap thrown across your body thrown from the position held like you see in the other pics.

My guess is if you got some pics of other QBs thrown across their body you would see them hold the ball like what Henson is.

[Kilyin]

...my worry is that intentions may have been taken in error. My hope is that both Romo and Henson become the next Troy Aikman. It would be a fabulous problem not unlike having Favre and Brunell in the lineup.

Yeah, because Brunell is such a great quarterback. Just ask Joe Gibbs.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

I don't question his mobility. If it comes down to mobility I want Danzler playing QB. There is much more to it than mobility. Quincy was mobile. But he didn't have it.

Tell me about his accuracy and then tell me again that you want Danzler over anybody. The simple fact of the matter here is that he is pretty accurate and has far better mobility.

You asked the question, why is every body so high on this guy. It's because he represents something very rare. He is very accurate. He can throw a football regardless of what some of these guys are saying about his motion and he can move. That's what makes me more interested in Henson then any say Romo. Nothing at all against Romo but physically, this guy is better. Hes also shown the attitude you like to see. He's willing to learn and willing to work. That's pretty important IMO.

Who knows if either will be the guy but one thing is for sure. We didn't draft anybody so this is what we have to work with.

I would also say that your opinion on Henson not looking like he'll get an opportunity is a bit premature. I think that's all yet to be determined stuff.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Tell me about his accuracy and then tell me again that you want Danzler over anybody. The simple fact of the matter here is that he is pretty accurate and has far better mobility.

You asked the question, why is every body so high on this guy. It's because he represents something very rare. He is very accurate. He can throw a football regardless of what some of these guys are saying about his motion and he can move. That's what makes me more interested in Henson then any say Romo. Nothing at all against Romo but physically, this guy is better. Hes also shown the attitude you like to see. He's willing to learn and willing to work. That's pretty important IMO.

Who knows if either will be the guy but one thing is for sure. We didn't draft anybody so this is what we have to work with.

[View Full Quote]I would also say that your opinion on Henson not looking like he'll get an opportunity is a bit premature. I think that's all yet to be determined stuff.

I'll just be gald when one of these guys win the starting job so we can get past this. It gets old seeing one or the other getting slammed by our own fans.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by davidyee

... I was told by one coach when overhearing talk to QB's on our team that throwing a football was just like golf. The most accurate throws occur when your feet are properly lined up.

If we take a look at the Henson photo and look at the hash mark at his feet it looks like the intent is to throw down the line. He may have his eyes off a bit, but they could possibly be watching a receiver come into the target zone of his release.

He could be watching the receiver all the way but it's not likely IMO. This would not be what he's coached to do. It looks to me like he's going to his check down. This would support the body position, the fact that his front foot is open and the way he's throwing the ball in regards to the ball position.

Do the throwing motion yourself. Take a 5 step drop and then come off your primary to a hot back that might be in the flat. If you do it correctly, and keep in mind that this throw is not really a down field throw like a 20 or 30 yard out, see what your body position would be like. Everything about this photo, including the direction of the yard lines is consistant with a check down IMO.

As I said before, all this won't matter if he's accurate and I suspect he will be. He pretty much always has been in the past.

[The Duke]

Yes Henson winds up and could have a slower release than a Troy or Marino. However, Henson has a strong arm..above average even for the NFL. This is like Leftwich winding up but has a strong arm to compensate.

What needs to enter this discussion is fottwork. What is very hard to teach is to have no wasted steps before you deliver the throw. Especially if you have a weak arm then you take an extra skip hop step into your throw to get momentum going before you throw. On the 12 yard out throws, Henson does not take a false step. This makes up more than enough and means he has a quicker release of the ball than many QBs even in the NFL. Romo has the false step to compensate for the arm strength. Many others do it out of habit. Troy never took that false step and explains why his timing routes with Irvin on the deep slant and deep out were unstoppable. Most QBs ...even the great ones... cannot take a 5 step drop and throw it 15 yard slants and outs with no false steps. It takes arm strength and body control. Troy had it and Henson does too. Why do you think Henson is so highly touted even with the layoff? I remember pretty clear that Troy saw Henson's workout before we got him and comments to Jones well you what you need to do. Henson is a no brainer. The mechanics are actually quite impressive with little teaching needed. 3-4 inches higher is all. Why do you think Kiper said he would have been ahead of Vick and the #1 overall if he had stayed. This is all even with his wind up. The wind up is not that bad folks. Repeat after me Playing time Playing time. Oh and BTW, Henson completes medium range (10-15 yard) routes last preseason, Baltimore, Chi. Romo dinks and dunks to running backs out of the backfield...aka. Steve Walsh. Talk of Romo even close to Henson is like Aikman and Walsh. Yes I predict Henson = Aikman and Romo = Walsh. Mark it.

BTW, Banned in Austin...ignore on QB talk. "The Exaggeration King With No Substance and Then I Claim I Hold My Own and Win Discussions". Here let me try....Marino - What a loser! He's pathetic. What a clown, he couldn't even win one lousy Super Bowl. He's such a high school quarterback. ...get a clue so the rest of us can talk football.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by The Duke

Yes Henson winds up and could have a slower release than a Troy or Marino. However, Henson has a strong arm..above average even for the NFL. This is like Leftwich winding up but has a strong arm to compensate.

[View Full Quote]What needs to enter this discussion is fottwork. What is very hard to teach is to have no wasted steps before you deliver the throw. Especially if you have a weak arm then you take an extra skip hop step into your throw to get momentum going before you throw. On the 12 yard out throws, Henson does not take a false step. This makes up more than enough and means he has a quicker release of the ball than many QBs even in the NFL. Romo has the false step to compensate for the arm strength. Many others do it out of habit. Troy never took that false step and explains why his timing routes with Irvin on the deep slant and deep out were unstoppable. Most QBs ...even the great ones... cannot take a 5 step drop and throw it 15 yard slants and outs with no false steps. It takes arm strength and body control. Troy had it and Henson does too. Why do you think Henson is so highly touted even with the layoff? I remember pretty clear that Troy saw Henson's workout before we got him and comments to Jones well you what you need to do. Henson is a no brainer. The mechanics are actually quite impressive with little teaching needed. 3-4 inches higher is all. Why do you think Kiper said he would have been ahead of Vick and the #1 overall if he had stayed. This is all even with his wind up. The wind up is not that bad folks. Repeat after me Playing time Playing time. Oh and BTW, Henson completes medium range (10-15 yard) routes last preseason, Baltimore, Chi. Romo dinks and dunks to running backs out of the backfield...aka. Steve Walsh. Talk of Romo even close to Henson is like Aikman and Walsh. Yes I predict Henson = Aikman and Romo = Walsh. Mark it.

BTW, Banned in Austin...ignore on QB talk. "The Exaggeration King With No Substance and Then I Claim I Hold My Own and Win Discussions". Here let me try....Marino - What a loser! He's pathetic. What a clown, he couldn't even win one lousy Super Bowl. He's such a high school quarterback. ...get a clue so the rest of us can talk football.

You talk football about these still shots all you want buddy. You talk about this 3rd string QB all you want. Analyze him to death. In the end, it won't matter, because he doesn't have enough experience for Parcells to have any faith in. You're spinning your tricycle wheels here.

This thread was hilarious. You're baseless analysis of still shots are outstanding, let me tell you. Your comparison of Henson to Marino, Vick and Aikman are right on the money. I'm just surprised I was so dumb I didn't see it. What was I thinking? My memory must have failed me, because I forgot how highley touted this 6th round pick was.

I have no other choice than to repeat after you ... "playing time, playing time"

Too bad he hasn't had much of it since high school and won't be getting much of it this year, VAgenius.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

You talk football about these still shots all you want buddy. You talk about this 3rd string QB all you want. Analyze him to death. In the end, it won't matter, because he doesn't have enough experience for Parcells to have any faith in. You're spinning your tricycle wheels here.

This thread was hilarious. You're baseless analysis of still shots are outstanding, let me tell you. Your comparison of Henson to Marino, Vick and Aikman are right on the money. I'm just surprised I was so dumb I didn't see it. What was I thinking? My memory must have failed me, because I forgot how highley touted this 6th round pick was.

I have no other choice than to repeat after you ... "playing time, playing time"

Too bad he hasn't had much of it since high school and won't be getting much of it this year, VAgenius.

Benjamin,

I would point out that while Henson doesn't have lots of experience, he has more game experience then Romo. In the grander scheme of things, I wouldn't say that it is a huge advantage over Romo but I would definatly say that it indicates Henson and Romo are both in the running for number 2. No decision is final at this time.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Benjamin,

I would point out that while Henson doesn't have lots of experience, he has more game experience then Romo. In the grander scheme of things, I wouldn't say that it is a huge advantage over Romo but I would definatly say that it indicates Henson and Romo are both in the running for number 2. No decision is final at this time.

I agree there will be competition, but it's Romo's spot to lose at this point. I also believe that Romo does have more game experience in college than Henson. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Benjamin,

I would point out that while Henson doesn't have lots of experience, he has more game experience then Romo. In the grander scheme of things, I wouldn't say that it is a huge advantage over Romo but I would definatly say that it indicates Henson and Romo are both in the running for number 2. No decision is final at this time.

More game experience?




COLLEGE: On Dec.19, 2002, Tony Romo was the first player in Eastern Illinois and Ohio Valley Conference history to win the Walter Payton Award, given annually to the nation's top player at the NCAA Division 1-AA level. He finished his career holding school and conference records with 85 touchdown passes. He was second in school and third in conference history with 8,212 passing yards. He was also second in school history with 584 completions and 941 attempts. As a senior, he set school and conference records for completions with 258 in 407 attempts for 3,615 yards, ranked him second in conference and third in school history for a season. He threw for 34 touchdowns and scored one rushing touchdown. Romo's 3,149 yards in total offense as a senior ranked third in school and conference history. Along with the Walter Payton Award, Romo earned consensus All-America honors. He was also selected All-Ohio Valley Conference and was named OVC Player of the Year for the third straight year. As a junior, he led Division 1-AA in passing efficiency, completing 138-of-207 passes for 2,068 yards and 21 touchdowns. He was selected to the Associated Press All-America third team, All-Ohio Valley Conference first team and the OVC Player of the Year. As a sophomore, Romo ranked second in Division 1-AA in passing efficiency, completing 164-of-278 passes for 2,583 yards and 27 touchdowns. After the season, he was honored as an All-America honorable mention, an All-Ohio Valley Conference member, and the OVC Player of the Year. In 1999, his first year of collegiate football, Romo appeared in three games, completing 24-of-49 passes for 396 yards and three touchdowns. He was redshirted as a true freshman.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

More game experience?




[View Full Quote]COLLEGE: On Dec.19, 2002, Tony Romo was the first player in Eastern Illinois and Ohio Valley Conference history to win the Walter Payton Award, given annually to the nation's top player at the NCAA Division 1-AA level. He finished his career holding school and conference records with 85 touchdown passes. He was second in school and third in conference history with 8,212 passing yards. He was also second in school history with 584 completions and 941 attempts. As a senior, he set school and conference records for completions with 258 in 407 attempts for 3,615 yards, ranked him second in conference and third in school history for a season. He threw for 34 touchdowns and scored one rushing touchdown. Romo's 3,149 yards in total offense as a senior ranked third in school and conference history. Along with the Walter Payton Award, Romo earned consensus All-America honors. He was also selected All-Ohio Valley Conference and was named OVC Player of the Year for the third straight year. As a junior, he led Division 1-AA in passing efficiency, completing 138-of-207 passes for 2,068 yards and 21 touchdowns. He was selected to the Associated Press All-America third team, All-Ohio Valley Conference first team and the OVC Player of the Year. As a sophomore, Romo ranked second in Division 1-AA in passing efficiency, completing 164-of-278 passes for 2,583 yards and 27 touchdowns. After the season, he was honored as an All-America honorable mention, an All-Ohio Valley Conference member, and the OVC Player of the Year. In 1999, his first year of collegiate football, Romo appeared in three games, completing 24-of-49 passes for 396 yards and three touchdowns. He was redshirted as a true freshman.

I think he is speaking NFL game experience, in which case, he is correct. Henson does have more game experience.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by junk

I think he is speaking NFL game experience, in which case, he is correct. Henson does have more game experience.

True, but funny ... we're talking about what? A game and a half?

LOL

Overall - No, he doesn't have more game experience. It wasn't stated specifically, but to me college game experience will be more of an asset than 1 1/2 games of NFL experience.

Call me crazy though.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

True, but funny ... we're talking about what? A game and a half?

LOL

Overall - No, he doesn't have more game experience. It wasn't stated specifically, but to me college game experience will be more of an asset than 1 1/2 games of NFL experience.

Call me crazy though.

You're crazy.

Of course, one could argue game experience in I-AA isn't nearly as valuable as that in I-A and the pros.

I still think it will be one of the good battles of training camp. That and linebacker.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by junk

You're crazy.

Of course, one could argue game experience in I-AA isn't nearly as valuable as that in I-A and the pros.

I still think it will be one of the good battles of training camp. That and linebacker.

I disagree. The game is the game. Though if we were comparing 3 1/2 years of playing time in 1-AA to 1-AA you'd have a point.

But the playing time isn't even near comparable.

Not to mention all the practice snaps Henson missed being a back up.

Advantage - Romo.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by davidyee

... I was told by one coach when overhearing talk to QB's on our team that throwing a football was just like golf. The most accurate throws occur when your feet are properly lined up.

If we take a look at the Henson photo and look at the hash mark at his feet it looks like the intent is to throw down the line. He may have his eyes off a bit, but they could possibly be watching a receiver come into the target zone of his release.

It is a still photo.

There is a thing called depth of field in photography, based on the focal length of the lens, shutter speed, and aperture that can be greatly distorted.

What exactly is the drill being run?

Is it being run downfield or across the field?

The hash marks gives you zip in terms of information about this throw.

Henson's head, left shoulder, left hip and left toe are all lined up. That is perfect alignment to deliver an accurate throw with something on the ball.