Romo's throwing motion

[Nors]

Check out Romo in my avatar!

[Nors]

Can someone put up some Hutchinson pics?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Nors

Check out Romo in my avatar!

I actually like Romo's mechanics. In passing drills, he does a lot right.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I actually like Romo's mechanics. In passing drills, he does a lot right.

What's not to like about Romo?

[junk]

Originally Posted by Nors

Can someone put up some Hutchinson pics?

Oh, did you want ones of him throwing instead of just looking like a doofus?

Here is a classic Hutch.



Some more:







and finally:

[The Duke]

I prefer the throwing motion to be more compact like Aikman had it. The ball stayed closer to the body the whole way through the motion. This is why even the experts recognize and marveled at Aikman because his motion was near perfect and consistent which obviously lead to his accuracy and zip.

However, Troy perfect short to intermediate motion was not the best for long throws which I think the best deep ball throwers had a less compact throwing motion for long throws.

Henson's does get way from the body as he winds up like baseball but that still doesn't matter. I say that because you can design a perfect throwing motion but alot of QBs just won't be comfortable with it which makes the perfect throw ineffective for them. 20+ years of throwing motion has been ingrained in them. Also, it is in many cases the unorthodow motion that allows for the exceptional. Elway leaned into his throws and used his shoulders more for great power. Marino a slinger after hardly any backward motion. To each his own if its effective.

The most unusual motion Grand Prize goes to....Bernie Kosar. A very side arm throwing motion QB if there ever was one.

Truth of the matter is that QBs are typically not taught how to throw as a kid through High School, College. When your young the coach looks for a kid that can throw...typically a baseball player. At high school, the coach expects you to already know or he just doesn't know himself (my experience). College they really expect you to already know and don't mess with it. Pro
Pro sounds like the only one that knows and does try to fix flaws. But really, they expect it to already be 90% there too or else.

What every young QB needs is to go to a summer camp where they know what they are talking about. I was watching NFL Total Access and they profiled Steve DeBerg's long career. At the end, they said he had a Quarterback Edge camp I think in Georgia. Now that is where quality mechanics would be taught early enough and by a knowledgeable person. I think the Mannings have a camp too.

Lastly, I think its sad that throughout all levels of all sports that quality technique of mechanics is sorely lacking. This holds most athletes back and ruins their self esteem. Coach do way too much yelling when you screw up than teaching mechanics.

Man, I'm long winded and will keep it shorter in future discussions. Just wanted to get that off my chest.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

What's not to like about Romo?

Funny you should ask this. I would say not very much, at least where his mechanics are concerned. I really think he's well coached in that regard.

The thing I find perplexing is what so many find troublesome about Henson. I ask this very same question about him and for the life of me, I can't see what's not to like about the kid.

[The Duke]

I agree ABQ.

What's really is not to like about Henson? In the end, whether his mechanics change or not doesn't matter but they are darn good as it is. Zip, accuracy, the body size...

Only thing is playing time/experience.

[junk]

Originally Posted by The Duke

I prefer the throwing motion to be more compact like Aikman had it. The ball stayed closer to the body the whole way through the motion. This is why even the experts recognize and marveled at Aikman because his motion was near perfect and consistent which obviously lead to his accuracy and zip.

However, Troy perfect short to intermediate motion was not the best for long throws which I think the best deep ball throwers had a less compact throwing motion for long throws.

[View Full Quote]Henson's does get way from the body as he winds up like baseball but that still doesn't matter. I say that because you can design a perfect throwing motion but alot of QBs just won't be comfortable with it which makes the perfect throw ineffective for them. 20+ years of throwing motion has been ingrained in them. Also, it is in many cases the unorthodow motion that allows for the exceptional. Elway leaned into his throws and used his shoulders more for great power. Marino a slinger after hardly any backward motion. To each his own if its effective.

The most unusual motion Grand Prize goes to....Bernie Kosar. A very side arm throwing motion QB if there ever was one.

Truth of the matter is that QBs are typically not taught how to throw as a kid through High School, College. When your young the coach looks for a kid that can throw...typically a baseball player. At high school, the coach expects you to already know or he just doesn't know himself (my experience). College they really expect you to already know and don't mess with it. Pro
Pro sounds like the only one that knows and does try to fix flaws. But really, they expect it to already be 90% there too or else.

What every young QB needs is to go to a summer camp where they know what they are talking about. I was watching NFL Total Access and they profiled Steve DeBerg's long career. At the end, they said he had a Quarterback Edge camp I think in Georgia. Now that is where quality mechanics would be taught early enough and by a knowledgeable person. I think the Mannings have a camp too.

Lastly, I think its sad that throughout all levels of all sports that quality technique of mechanics is sorely lacking. This holds most athletes back and ruins their self esteem. Coach do way too much yelling when you screw up than teaching mechanics.

Man, I'm long winded and will keep it shorter in future discussions. Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Great insight so your long windedness is forgiven. Feel free to spend as much time and space as you want discussing things like this. They let me clutter up the board with my nonsense, so I am sure no one will much care if you have long posts that actually say something worthwhile.

[The Duke]

Thanks JUNK.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by The Duke

I agree ABQ.

What's really is not to like about Henson? In the end, whether his mechanics change or not doesn't matter but they are darn good as it is. Zip, accuracy, the body size...

Only thing is playing time/experience.

Time will tell Duke. I've seen a great many QBs that I thought had very good talent come and go with out ever getting an opportunity. So much depends on circumstances IMO.

Having said that, I pull for this kid. Don't get me wrong, I like Romo also but I just watch Henson and I believe that his athletic ability is far superior to anybodie elses on the team. Many people try to fit him into an Aikman mold but I believe he's much more like Elway or Favre. Most have not really had an opportunity to see this kid move outside the pocket. He really has outstanding mobility. It will be a shame if he never gets an opportunity to show them off.

[Nors]

Slow down,
In this thread I've seen him likened to Favre, Marino, Elway, McChunky, Brady.

He is poised to sit his second season in a row - he is a QB Project. Maybe he is all as advertised or maybe not. I'm pulling for Romo but will pull for Henson if he gets tapped starter down the road.

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

for comparison, let's take a look at Henson's motion.

BTW, I'm just feeding the dialog. I don't know enuff to truly comment.

Join the club WG.

To me Tony looks like he's about to heave a discus and Drew is about to bounce a vicious wheelie with a yo-yo.

[Wolverine]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Look at his eyes and his body motion. It would appear to me that this ball is going to be out in the left flat or the left sideline. His body is situated as if he's quickly moving from a down field view of the right side of the field to a quick rotation and delivery of the ball to the left. It may also be a crossing route. In the end, it means nothing. If you don't know the route or what it calls for the QB to do on it, then you can't assume his mechanics are poor. You can say that the delievery is a bit unorthadox but that's it. Your statement about no pattern ever requiring this is not accurate. If your shifting your weight and throwing back across your body, that is almost exactly how you would deliver the ball in the short flat. You would open your left foot up and bring the ball almost perpidicular to your ear and across your body to complete that pass.

[View Full Quote]When your in your throwing motion, the ball is going to be exposed regardless. The key is getting rid of it before the rush gets there in any motion. If somebody gets to you before your arm begins it's forward progress, it really makes little difference. The ball will likely come out.

In the end, we can all worry all we want but it won't matter if the guy is accurate.

Mad props to ABQ!! Great response and a great read.

[davidyee]

Originally Posted by AdamJT13

I couldn't have done this better myself. I would like you to try to replicate Henson's throwing motion with the point of the football exaclty opposite of the target you are throwing at.

To make it more accurate drop your leading shoulder lower than your trailing shoulder so the motion looks exaggerated. You may be possibly flexible enough to accomplish this, but it's going to hurt your shoulder and strain your rotator cuff after a few passes.

Let's look at Favre's picture and any other QB's.

Is the ball pointed exactly 180 deg. from it's intended target? From my vantage point it looks like Favre has the ball pointed around 120 deg at the most.

Oh, oh, I forgot, he seems to also have the ball lower than his ear! Possibly a more efficient motion than Henson's. Possibly even easier on the joints.