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Old 06-01-2005   #121
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Bottome line is: Henson's throwin motion stinks. If it didn't he would be throwing over 5000 passes to correct it. It's correctable, of couse. But it stinks at the moment unless it has been corrected.
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I do see what you're saying. IMO Aikman had the perfect compact motion where he looked like he took a direct line to his ear and then let it go. But I don't see any problem with Hensons bigger windup style as long as it doesn't take too long to get the ball out... And you can bet the coaches are timing him to make sure he isn't too slow (like Hutchinson was). At least Henson's style should get a lot of velocity on the ball.
... that given the chance Henson can throw the ball to the intended target. My worry is what happens when there's pressure on him. If there are any bad habits, chances are they will surface when the lineman is coming like a steam truck at you. There may not be time for his "wind up".
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... I accept your points on the post, but we must all agree at some point in time in the throwing motion Henson did arrive at the pose he was captured in.

I don't know about you, but it sure looks awkward. Not conclusive, but awkward.

As for Marino, his phots may be suffering from the same interpretation as Henson's photos, but one thing I can say about the player, He was rejected by many teams coming out of the draft and he made them pay by developing one the crispest, efficient quick releases of any player.

His three step drop and lightning release was a thing of beauty and should be emulated by young players throughout the league.

If there was a formula I would use to teach mechanics to young football players, it would be the play action of DeBerg, the release of Marino, the long ball of Cunningham in his prime and the footwork of Aikman.

Ultimately he will be Henson, but it doesn't mean he won't try to improve.
We really don't know any of the when and what that went into that picture.

It could be his natural motion, a reverting to his old motion, an overcompensation to make sure his arm is higher to get an over the top release.

It is one picture taken out of the sequence of the entire throwing motion, and to make a big deal out of it is silly, IMO.
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Amazing how these Romo threads take off like wildfire!

Romo is the #2 guy ... the writing is on the wall.
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Bottome line is: Henson's throwin motion stinks. If it didn't he would be throwing over 5000 passes to correct it. It's correctable, of couse. But it stinks at the moment unless it has been corrected.
So which is it?

FYI, the Cowboys said repeatedly MINOR ADJUSTMENTS.

Stinking is not minor.
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So which is it?

FYI, the Cowboys said repeatedly MINOR ADJUSTMENTS.

Stinking is not minor.

I said it could be corrected. And minor adjustments in the NFL can be major. It doesn't matter though, because Henson won't be a factor this year.
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We really don't know any of the when and what that went into that picture.

It could be his natural motion, a reverting to his old motion, an overcompensation to make sure his arm is higher to get an over the top release.

It is one picture taken out of the sequence of the entire throwing motion, and to make a big deal out of it is silly, IMO.
...my worry is that intentions may have been taken in error. My hope is that both Romo and Henson become the next Troy Aikman. It would be a fabulous problem not unlike having Favre and Brunell in the lineup.

Who's further away? Who knows. The point of the mini camp photos is to digest what have been starving to see - Cowboys playing football. Unfortunately the pics shown of our two young uns looks like tweedle dee and tweedle dum. Let's hope it's just restricited to the camp photo and not the field.

Like all good football discussions, the answers will be coming on the field.
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...Unfortunately the pics shown of our two young uns looks like tweedle dee and tweedle dum. Let's hope it's just restricited to the camp photo and not the field.

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It's still shot pictures man...give it a rest

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Old 06-01-2005   #129
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It's still shot pictures man...give it a rest

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Au contraire, David.

One can tell so much from still photos.

For example, gaze upon the classic stance of Dan Marino, witness the ball elevation, the angle signifying the likelihood of a pure and crisp release (or a fake spike). With this posture, it's no wonder Dan made the HOF .



In comparison we see Brett Favre's more unorthodox delivery. Side-arm as it may be, this stance enables him to take off if the pocket collapses,and throw across his body on the run.



Finally we see young Tom Brady. Three rings to his credit already, he quickly perfected "Tuck Rule" mechanics. By keeping the ball low and inside, he is better able to convince game officials he did not fumble.

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I couldn't have done this better myself. I would like you to try to replicate Henson's throwing motion with the point of the football exaclty opposite of the target you are throwing at.

To make it more accurate drop your leading shoulder lower than your trailing shoulder so the motion looks exaggerated. You may be possibly flexible enough to accomplish this, but it's going to hurt your shoulder and strain your rotator cuff after a few passes.

Let's look at Favre's picture and any other QB's.

Is the ball pointed exactly 180 deg. from it's intended target? From my vantage point it looks like Favre has the ball pointed around 120 deg at the most.

Oh, oh, I forgot, he seems to also have the ball lower than his ear! Possibly a more efficient motion than Henson's. Possibly even easier on the joints.


Possibly easier for a LB or DT or DE to slap down and force a fumble.


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Au contraire, David.

One can tell so much from still photos.

For example, gaze upon the classic stance of Dan Marino, witness the ball elevation, the angle signifying the likelihood of a pure and crisp release (or a fake spike). With this posture, it's no wonder Dan made the HOF .



In comparison we see Brett Favre's more unorthodox delivery. Side-arm as it may be, this stance enables him to take off if the pocket collapses,and throw across his body on the run.



Finally we see young Tom Brady. Three rings to his credit already, he quickly perfected "Tuck Rule" mechanics. By keeping the ball low and inside, he is better able to convince game officials he did not fumble.

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Au contraire, David.

One can tell so much from still photos.

For example, gaze upon the classic stance of Dan Marino, witness the ball elevation, the angle signifying the likelihood of a pure and crisp release (or a fake spike). With this posture, it's no wonder Dan made the HOF .



In comparison we see Brett Favre's more unorthodox delivery. Side-arm as it may be, this stance enables him to take off if the pocket collapses,and throw across his body on the run.



Finally we see young Tom Brady. Three rings to his credit already, he quickly perfected "Tuck Rule" mechanics. By keeping the ball low and inside, he is better able to convince game officials he did not fumble.

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Au contraire, David.

One can tell so much from still photos.

For example, gaze upon the classic stance of Dan Marino, witness the ball elevation, the angle signifying the likelihood of a pure and crisp release (or a fake spike). With this posture, it's no wonder Dan made the HOF .



In comparison we see Brett Favre's more unorthodox delivery. Side-arm as it may be, this stance enables him to take off if the pocket collapses,and throw across his body on the run.



Finally we see young Tom Brady. Three rings to his credit already, he quickly perfected "Tuck Rule" mechanics. By keeping the ball low and inside, he is better able to convince game officials he did not fumble.

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Au contraire, David.

One can tell so much from still photos.

For example, gaze upon the classic stance of Dan Marino, witness the ball elevation, the angle signifying the likelihood of a pure and crisp release (or a fake spike). With this posture, it's no wonder Dan made the HOF .



In comparison we see Brett Favre's more unorthodox delivery. Side-arm as it may be, this stance enables him to take off if the pocket collapses,and throw across his body on the run.



Finally we see young Tom Brady. Three rings to his credit already, he quickly perfected "Tuck Rule" mechanics. By keeping the ball low and inside, he is better able to convince game officials he did not fumble.

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LTN, you and Chief both have been on a roll lately. Good stuff!
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For all we know in that Henson pic they told him to throw that way just so he would feel how wrong it felt. Not likely, I realize, but hey the point is we don't know the situations of either pic. Isn't there anything else to talk about ??
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