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LaTunaNostra · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by kartr

Brooks has never had a top 5 defense and Carr is way over-rated.

I was ranking QBs, not defenses.

As inconsistent as Bledsoe has been in his career, his highs were very high.

Brooks erraticism is not from year to year, or even game to game, or even quarter to quarter.

They're from freaking series to series. This guy goes from Jeckyll to Hyde five time a day. Were I an head coach, there is no starting QB I would trust LESS with my job.

Carr might be over-rated by some but not by me. I don't consider him a franchise QB or even elite. But hasn't maxed out potential yet either.

LaTunaNostra · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by kartr

No, not at all. He is unsigned because Tampa has serious salary cap problems and the Jets are playing wait and see.

Would you mind telling me what evidence you have that the Jets are playing "wait and see" on Quincy?

They signed Fiedler to back up Pennington and still have Bollinger, who they have put two years into now. They released Ricky Ray who showed zilch, but have a very exciting young QB playing in Europe - Eakin. This kid is barely six feet tall so it will be a miracle if he makes it.

But he sure deserves to over Carter.

When I think of the talented young QBs like Randel El, Woody Dantzler, and now Eakin who for the lack of a few inches fell short (ugh what a bad pun) and were denied what the lucky more prototypical bodies just walked into - yeah players like Quincy - who had it all and blew it. Damn!

No way the Jets re-sign Q. There is no "wait and see". They "waited" and they "saw" playoff time last year, and unforunately what they saw was the total vindication of Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells for cutting an unreliable player.

silver · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

Starters I would NOT take over Bledsoe: Griese, Brooks, Feeley, Harrington, Ramsey. And two kids - Grossman and Losman for the unknown factor.

Toss ups: Collins, Carr.

I'd take Harrington and Brooks

Waffle · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by kartr

Bledsoe may not be very good, but at least he knows how to play football instead of baseball.

Good one!

I know Bledsoe has experience and so forth over Romo and Henson...I just wish BP would say something like "I expect at this point that Bledsoe will be our starter this season, but he's going to have to show me he can still do it and earn the spot in training camp and the pre-sesason."

It's what he says about other veteran players at other positions. Hell, it's even what he said about Darren Woodson when Jerry first hired him.

silver · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

Vinny actually played a lot better then I thought he would be able to- but it was clear by late in the season that his legs were dead and his arm not far behind. 41 year old QB's just cannot last a full 16 games and be able to really compete. They have to take too much punishment, and they just do not have the energy to perform at their best. I will give the man full props for giving everything he had left. And he was still better then a lot younger QB's were last year.

i'm surprised he lasted all season long. one of the reasons i was ok with him starting at the beginning was that i thought for sure he would go down with an injury sooner or later. gotta admit the guy in one tough sob

Nors · 06-06-2005

VT is an emotionless leader. Shy, sullen, reserved and it translated to our offense - No spark.

VT really in 20 years had had nothing but losing seasons everywhere he went. A good season or 2 under Parcells with Jets.

LTN - Do you have his won loss record career as a starter?

silver · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Waffle

It seems the only QB "competition" we've had to date was Q vs Hutch. I haven't been too overly criticial of Parcells, but this "QB annointment" business really bothers me.

Let the guys fight it out in camp and pre-season and then make a decision. Don't just make Bledsoe the starter by default because you drafted him 12 years ago.

i find it refreshing instead. he doesn't allow the press create a qb controversy. i remember campo's way of handling it (if you can call it that) and i'd much rather have old bill do it his way. it kills the distractions the speculation can create.

Banned_n_austin · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Juke99

This applies mostly to the QB's...but even though we all know Antonio Bryant was a bit of a head case, I'm sure he finally went over the edge because he simply knew there was no open competition for the WR spot which was handed to Keyshawn.

Personally, I'm glad we don't have to worry about a couple of clowns taking away valuable snaps from our starting QB. No way are Henson or Romo going to play on the level Drew will. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

silver · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Waffle

Yeah, it's going to take one hell of an effort by the O-Line to keep Mr. Munster upright and uninjured if you ask me.

we said exactly the same about VT last year.

LaTunaNostra · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Nors

VT is an emotionless leader. Shy, sullen, reserved and it translated to our offense - No spark.

VT really in 20 years had had nothing but losing seasons everywhere he went. A good season or 2 under Parcells with Jets.

LTN - Do you have his won loss record career as a starter?

NO I don't but it is easily found.

Of course VT's early years in Tampa, a franchise in its early years, were text book horror show stuff.

I do believe he made the Pro Bowl with the Ravens shortly after they morphed from Cleveland.

You are absurdly off in your estimation of VT's leadership. Player sLOVED to play for him, loved him to death in NY. He was NEVER "sullen", never, and was always willing to help younger QBs, be they Lucas or Pennington. Not a finger pointing, excuse-maker either.

You may criticize his performance all you like, but when it comes to class acts, and respected players in this league, VT is all-pro.

Nors · 06-06-2005

I never saw any fire in VT - Ever. I agree with you he's a great guy from all I read.
That does not make a leader at QB.

Banned_n_austin · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

What I remember most was by the late 3rd quarter it was over, and I was sitting in the nose bleed section surrounded by Cowboy fans that came up from Dallas.

The Walker trade had just happened and the Dallas media was ripping Jones and Johnson for trading away our best player, so they wanted to know what a fan from outside the area thought.

I said, "This trade will put us in the Super Bowl in 3 years."

Now if I can just do that with the Powerball.

WOW!!!:picknose: I remember that!!!!

Good call!!!!

LaTunaNostra · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Nors

I never saw any fire in VT - Ever. I agree with you he's a great guy from all I read.
That does not make a leader at QB.

Question: Do you honestly consider Bledsoe a good leader?

Leadership style differs, and only the guys a QB players directs can really tell us who is or is not a "good leader", but I have read far more testimonials from players re VT than I ever saw re Drew. Kevin Mawae for one was always saying VT was the ultimate.

Testaverde is a moot point, tho. He might not have been fiery, but he was respected.

Not everyone has the Tom Brady leadership talent.

Juke99 · 06-06-2005

I think leadership shows itself very differently in different people.

My guess is that the best leaders do their work on the practice field.

Banned_n_austin · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

Carr might be over-rated by some but not by me. I don't consider him a franchise QB or even elite. But hasn't maxed out potential yet either.

I agree with you, LTN.