PFT-Sunday Edion--Sean Taylor's career could be over! - Page 9 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

ternce · 06-06-2005

who wouldnt be upset if their ride was stolen

they should make it so the thieve gets the mandatory since it triggered the shooting, so to speak

Banned_n_austin · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Bizwah

It totally depends on the case they have.

If they have reliable witnesses sure.....they'll take it to court.

But already you have a witness that doesn't seem too sure about what they saw. The prosecutor will have a tough time taking a case like this to a jury. So, to make sure something is done, they will have him plead to a lesser charge.

Just like some child-molestation cases. The laws are very cut-and-dried on what molestation is, but if it doesn't look like the case can't go to trial, then the prosecutor and defense team will often work out a deal for a lesser charge.

It's unfortunate, but it happens all the time.

You're exactly right here. This is nothing to get our hopes up about. Just take a look at Jamal Lewis. His punishment will be tailored around his career. They really won't put him in jail over this. Jamal Lewis only got a few months. The courts are leniant on these NFL guys.

And like you're saying here, they don't have to try him on the charges he's charged with. He can plea to a lessor crime and he'd be an idiot not to do so. It'd cost to much money for the state to try this case. They'll be happy to plea.

Banned_n_austin · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by silverbear

Comp, my advice to you is to back away from this argument just as quick as you can... when you first posted that silliness, I thought SURELY you were being silly, being sarcastic...

But if you're serious about that, God help you; to seriously argue that he shouldn't face the full wrath of the law because he got LUCKY enough not to hit anybody is just RIDICULOUS, pal... he sure TRIED to shoot somebody, and that means you go to jail (unless, of course, you're defending your own life, which was obviously not the case here)...

And to suggest that Dubya step up and pardon the guy, well, that took your argument from silly to asinine...

I bet the end result doesn't indicate that the prosecuting side of this sees it this way. In a year or two when this finally goes to court, they'll have plead it down to a much lessor charge.

zorg222 · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

You're exactly right here. This is nothing to get our hopes up about. Just take a look at Jamal Lewis. His punishment will be tailored around his career. They really won't put him in jail over this. Jamal Lewis only got a few months. The courts are leniant on these NFL guys.

word...

It's sad though, that just because you are good at football, you can shoot at people and get off of the hook easily, or deal crack and get off easily, and this doesn't just apply to football, you can commit rape, but because you're basketball star... the charges are dropped(wealth may have also had a part in that), these guys are just like the rest of us except their famous... and the way that they get off of crimes like they do, you wouldn't know their normal people.

It's really twisted...

Banned_n_austin · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by zorg222

word...

It's sad though, that just because you are good at football, you can shoot at people and get off of the hook easily, or deal crack and get off easily, and this doesn't just apply to football, you can commit rape, but because you're basketball star... the charges are dropped(wealth may have also had a part in that), these guys are just like the rest of us except their famous... and the way that they get off of crimes like they do, you wouldn't know their normal people.

It's really twisted...

I agree for the most part. If you or I committed a crime we could go to trial for a day or two, mayber ... but a star gets in trouble and they can afford to go to trial for months. This is baffling ...

On the other hand, some situations around these stars can be exaggerated because they are stars and the media attention can blow a minor thing out of proportion. It puts pressure on the DA's office to be politically correct.

zorg222 · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

I agree for the most part. If you or I committed a crime we could go to trial for a day or two, mayber ... but a star gets in trouble and they can afford to go to trial for months. This is baffling ...

On the other hand, some situations around these stars can be exaggerated because they are stars and the media attention can blow a minor thing out of proportion. It puts pressure on the DA's office to be politically correct.

In this instance though, shooting at someone is pretty bad, it'd be hard to blow that out of proportion, but for other things yeah, but even when they get exaggerated, the star still sees no penalty or minimal penalty, just as much as if the case wasn't exaggerated.

djmajestik · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Compacity

I could tell you missed my whole point. nda story...
Im saying he did not initiated a shot at nobody, it did not hit no body,....

You would actually initiated at shot to a certain person,so that is saying you did it purposely...

You have the audacity to point out that dg999 misspelled "and", and you come out with THIS? Are you kidding me??

1fisher · 06-06-2005

DUDE.......you are definitely confused............

Dangerous Dave · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Compacity

Honestly we need to be asking ourselves as NFL fans and not only Dallas Cowboys fans... Sean Taylor should get little time as possible...I liked this player coming out of college.. I was hoping that the Dallas Cowboys so happen to trade for him, but he got in trouble with the law... but I don't want to see him lose his career over a dumb incident that nobody got hurt over, that would be real petty..... It could've hit somebody but it didn't that's the real fact from opinion.....

Just look at the situations as if it was Roy Williams that just so happen to do something like that and he was in the same shoes as Sean Taylor's right now... Only now is we wouldn't want that to happen, oppinions in our case would be different because it's a player we like...

So look at it like that... If he was on one of our teams and he got in this situation what will you be saying then... I hope he doesn't get any time...

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Avery · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Dangerous Dave

At times, it can be like that.

Crown Royal · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by zorg222

word...

It's sad though, that just because you are good at football, you can shoot at people and get off of the hook easily, or deal crack and get off easily, and this doesn't just apply to football, you can commit rape, but because you're basketball star... the charges are dropped(wealth may have also had a part in that), these guys are just like the rest of us except their famous... and the way that they get off of crimes like they do, you wouldn't know their normal people.

It's really twisted...

All right, I guess noone read my post, so I will reiterate.

First - you seem to be referring to Kobe Bryant as far as rape goes. That just because he is a pro athlete, he got off. Bah. He was being prosecuted dilligently. When it started looking like a loser in court, things changed. It became apparent to the state that this might not work out too well.

Further, the accuser had a change of heart of some kind, and dropped the charges. The two sides reached an agreement, and Kobe read a statement.

As far as this case - someone said that it would be plea bargained because it will be too expensive to go to court. No way. If the prosecution has a case, they will refuse to plea bargain - a high profile case like this, and the state will want to see it all the way through.

The only way that they will plea bargain is if they do not have the evidence to prove beyone the shadow of reasonable doubt that Taylor is guilty. In which case they would be stupid not to accept the plea bargain.

ravidubey · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by OldButDeadly

I hope your kidding...

Thats like me going up and trying to shoot you....Oh I missed...

So I shouldn't go to jail...It might ruin my life...

sheesh...

Wierd way to think about things fella!

Kev

Exactly, what better way for Florida to desmonstrate how seriously they take their laws than to prosecute this punk? I can't imagine how far off in la la land you'd have to be to point a loaded gun at someone! This idiotic culture needs to be slammed down before more people get hurt or killed.

johnnybluestar · 06-06-2005

I'm not hoping that Sean Taylor gets in big trouble because he is a Redskin. I hope he gets in big trouble because he is a thug and we do don't need those types of people in the general public. I don't care that he plays in the NFL, but I do care that he points and shoots guns at other people. It doesn't matter if he missed.

I just read another report where they didn't say any shots were fired. Does anyone know the actual facts?

Maikeru-sama · 06-06-2005

Dang, 9 Pages worth of posts.

Sean Taylor will never see the inside of a jail cell. Leonardo Carson forcably broke into someone's house and actually kidnapped them and he saw what....1-2 months in jail and was allowed to get out early to attend Training Camp?

Taylor has the money and not only that, probably will have the Redskins, an Organization with extremely deep pockets (who currently have alot of money invested in this guy) backing him.

One of his partners will probably take the fall and I am not sure what type of neighborhood this happened in, but I know where I am from it is always hard to get witnesses....

- Mike G.

silverbear · 06-06-2005

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Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

I bet the end result doesn't indicate that the prosecuting side of this sees it this way. In a year or two when this finally goes to court, they'll have plead it down to a much lessor charge.

I expect you're right about that... he'll get a fine and probation and community service...

He also might find himself looking at an NFL suspension once he does that, though... won't be a long one, Jamal Lewis got 3 games IIRC... I remember being pissed about that, Irvin got 5 games for a much less serious drug offense... now, watch Taylor get a less-severe suspension than that too... for SHOOTING at somebody...

I expect if he's got a lick of sense-- which is, of course, debatable at this point-- at the very least he'll put a lid on the "I want a new contract" BS...