Screen Pass?

[Billy Bullocks]

screens look like a deep pass, the QB drops back, then when the pass rush comes up field, he dumps it off to the back. I'm not sure release has much to do with it. It's the equivalent of a draw play, except it's a pass

[StonetheCrow77]

Drew B is not great at the screen pass... he can't sell the throw downfield and swivel his hips effectively to make that throw... that movement with his feet tips off the LBs... but, he does throw a mean shovel pass...

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

Oh ok, gotcha.

Now that I've put my ignornance on display, I'll go back to posting Cowboy news...

You post whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want and do it often.

[Banned_n_austin]

Originally Posted by Star-Fan

True. But, was it last year that talk out of camp was the 'Boys were looking into trying the screen? Maybe it was BP's first year. I was just wondering if Bp and Bledsoe used it before. D@mn I wish this off season would end already. Hey wouldn't it be great if NFL the season lasted as long as NBA?

The screen does have its place in an offense. It's a high percentage play that doesn't usually yield a lot of yards, but some teams can be effective with it. You have to have an agressive guy who can make you miss in the open field. Then, you can have some success with it. But like anything, there is a key to doing it.

That song 'How far is Heaven?' applies now don't it?

I watched that band play several times inside of a little bar in Pflugerville Tx. before they ever made the big time ... I liked them alright, but I had no idea how big they'd get.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Banned_n_austin

Bledsoe has a nice quick release. But the screen pass is not where your money is at. It doesn't always get you up field which is your goal. A screen pass is sometimes the last option the QB has.

That is impossible. If there is a screen pass, than it was a designed play. YOu wouldn't sacrifice a OL and te to block in the flat with it being your last option.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by kartr

Is he really holding on to the ball too long for that reason or is it that he's just to slow in reading defenses as Jaws suggested. It seems to me that if he really knew what he was doing, he'd throw it away rather than taking needless sacks.

Bledsoe knows what he is doing which is why he has been in the league 12 years and he has had success with Parcells. I have no doubt we will take shot down field with Bledsoe but I think we will see a lot of seam routs with Witten and the slants with Key and those routs in which Bledsoe will get rid of the ball quickly. In the end I don't know how Bledsoe will do for the season but as a fan he has my support and I wish the best for him unlike yourself who seems to be stuck in the past with a QB who is no longer and as a matter of fact a QB with a job what so ever in the NFL which tells me how little others think of him.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Tio

That is impossible. If there is a screen pass, than it was a designed play. YOu wouldn't sacrifice a OL and te to block in the flat with it being your last option.

Your right, screen has nothing to do with last options, once the linemen pull out they do a 3 count before looking to run up field to make the blocks if the play is delayed at all your looking at illegal men down field. This is not college where lineman can be 3 to 5 yards down field before the pass.

[playit12]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Bledsoe knows what he is doing which is why he has been in the league 12 years and he has had success with Parcells. I have no doubt we will take shot down field with Bledsoe but I think we will see a lot of seam routs with Witten and the slants with Key and those routs in which Bledsoe will get rid of the ball quickly. In the end I don't know how Bledsoe will do for the season but as a fan he has my support and I wish the best for him unlike yourself who seems to be stuck in the past with a QB who is no longer and as a matter of fact a QB with a job what so ever in the NFL which tells me how little others think of him.

Seems like the coaches in Buffalo have been in the league a while too when they used a stop watch in TC last year to try and get Bledsoe to throw the ball quicker.

Every player has their good and bad points, and it's not evil for a fan to point out the bad parts and want the coaches to improve them. From my experience Bledsoe does hold onto the ball too long, but he also throws with great accuracy and power. If the offensive coordinator can put him in a scheme that emphasises his skills while protecting his faults then he'll do fine.

Also I'm not sure on his abiliy to read defenses. There has always been gossip in the league that he was night the brightest bulb in the batch, but I don't know how accurate that is. Honestly though, with today's schemes, you don't want your QB calling plays. You want him to read and react just as you trained him to do in the preseason. He should be fine with good coaching.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by playit12

Seems like the coaches in Buffalo have been in the league a while too when they used a stop watch in TC last year to try and get Bledsoe to throw the ball quicker.

Every player has their good and bad points, and it's not evil for a fan to point out the bad parts and want the coaches to improve them. From my experience Bledsoe does hold onto the ball too long, but he also throws with great accuracy and power. If the offensive coordinator can put him in a scheme that emphasises his skills while protecting his faults then he'll do fine.

Also I'm not sure on his abiliy to read defenses. There has always been gossip in the league that he was night the brightest bulb in the batch, but I don't know how accurate that is. Honestly though, with today's schemes, you don't want your QB calling plays. You want him to read and react just as you trained him to do in the preseason. He should be fine with good coaching.

As I said I don't know what kind of season Bledsoe will have, I have never claimed him as a HOF QB what I have said is he has worked well with Parcells and did not seem to have problems getting rid of the ball when he was surrounded with guys like Ben Coats. I think the Cowboys offer some good weapons to help Bledsoe out. My personal feeling is Bledsoe will do fine in Dallas but the success or failure of the team goes well beyond the QB spot, I'm one of the few around here who still thinks teams win games not individuals. If this teams goes out and plays up to their abilities I think we have a chance at post-season and if they do not play well then they won't but football is not a one man sport and so I don't expect Bledsoe to carry this team

[lspain1]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Bledsoe knows what he is doing which is why he has been in the league 12 years and he has had success with Parcells. I have no doubt we will take shot down field with Bledsoe but I think we will see a lot of seam routs with Witten and the slants with Key and those routs in which Bledsoe will get rid of the ball quickly.

Dooms, I think you are exactly right with this analysis. If the Cowboys maintain a legitimate deep threat then this approach is likely to work. It does require you to take some shots down the field.

This approach/scheme is the crux of the argument coming from some folks about the WR position. One of the reasons Moss adds such a dimension is that deep threat that can not be ignored. Terry Glenn is good and adds this sort of dimension when he is healthy. I think we have a fairly good receiving corps but it lacks legitimate depth unless the youngsters come on strong. We'll see what happens.

My last point is to ask whether or not Parcells is setting up for more of a run first type of offense that will limit the number of throws Bledsoe will make? Our problems last year made this approach impossible but this year seems more promising. Run first, pass first, balance....what will it be?

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by lspain1

Dooms, I think you are exactly right with this analysis. If the Cowboys maintain a legitimate deep threat then this approach is likely to work. It does require you to take some shots down the field.

This approach/scheme is the crux of the argument coming from some folks about the WR position. One of the reasons Moss adds such a dimension is that deep threat that can not be ignored. Terry Glenn is good and adds this sort of dimension when he is healthy. I think we have a fairly good receiving corps but it lacks legitimate depth unless the youngsters come on strong. We'll see what happens.

My last point is to ask whether or not Parcells is setting up for more of a run first type of offense that will limit the number of throws Bledsoe will make? Our problems last year made this approach impossible but this year seems more promising. Run first, pass first, balance....what will it be?

On your last point I think Dallas will mix it up, yes I think we will continue to stress the running game but you never want to be predictable. I still think we will something close to 50/50 run/pass

[lspain1]

Dooms,

I'll go with Gil Brandt on this one....

By Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst
(June 6, 2005) -- Every team in the NFL makes changes in the offseason, that's no big surprise. But some make more than others in hopes of improving.


Part of that improved line is guard Marco Rivera, who was a Packer last year. Rivera will work with guys like Larry Allen and Flozell Adams to form one of the strongest O-lines in the NFC. Rivera is a very good run blocker, and that's one of the things Parcells loves to do -- run the ball.

I think the Cowboys are going to set up a power running game if the OL works out. Bledsoe's passing will be set up by the running attack but the mix will favor run over pass....say 58% running.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by lspain1

Dooms,

I'll go with Gil Brandt on this one....

By Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst
(June 6, 2005) -- Every team in the NFL makes changes in the offseason, that's no big surprise. But some make more than others in hopes of improving.


Part of that improved line is guard Marco Rivera, who was a Packer last year. Rivera will work with guys like Larry Allen and Flozell Adams to form one of the strongest O-lines in the NFC. Rivera is a very good run blocker, and that's one of the things Parcells loves to do -- run the ball.

I think the Cowboys are going to set up a power running game if the OL works out. Bledsoe's passing will be set up by the running attack but the mix will favor run over pass....say 58% running.

I don't doubt that and did say "something close to 50/50 run/pass" I don't know if it will be 58% but would have no problem if it were that high because that would tell me we are running and blocking very effective and doing so aginst 8 in the box

[playit12]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I don't doubt that and did say "something close to 50/50 run/pass" I don't know if it will be 58% but would have no problem if it were that high because that would tell me we are running and blocking very effective and doing so aginst 8 in the box

My guess would be we'll take what the defense gives us. There aren't too many teams that can still dictate their offense on opposing defenses. Perhaps really just the Colts and Steelers last year. The other teams (Pats included) just are flexible enough to beat you at your weaknesses.

Against Greg Williams' 46 variant we'll pass the ball, run draws, and power rub between the tackles.

Against the Chargers we'll establish the run with both off tackle and between the tackles runs. We'll also take shots down field when they commit extra defenders into the box.

Bledsoe can do all of that as good as anyone else in the league.