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AsthmaField · 06-11-2005

Om will have a response. He's probably working it up now and will swoop in and post it in all of it's glory.

Om is obviously a pretty sharp guy, but he and a lot of other Redskin fans are blind to how bad their off season truly has been.

On extremeskins, they can take any negative and spin it into a positive... it really is amazing to see.

Art, in particular is a master of denial. He tries so hard that sometimes he doesn't even make sense, yet he'll stick to that argument like glue.

Om · 06-11-2005

Asthma,

You're right, I keep coming back to the same mantra about guys who think they know more than they know, and can't wait to prove it in front of their friends. Hell, I also keep telling people who insist the world is flat that they might want to reconsider that position before getting up on the soapbox in Town Square and lecturing about it.

Some listen. Some do not. But I keep saying it. Silly old me.

Listen, you clearly follow the Skins enough to have a sense of what's on the table for discussion ... but, for whatever reason, have elected to choose the most possible negative spin on every conceivable topic. When posters do that, it tells me they're less interested in talking or maybe even (gasp) learning something than they are in showing off. I dunno know for sure if you're one of those guys or not, but based on that essay, the evidence points to yes at the moment.

I get the sense you're a pretty sharp guy, too---sharp enough to recognize that the world has more than two colors. From your careful study of the Redskins, as a sharp guy you surely know that for each point you discussed, there's an opposite viewpoint that can and has been argued every bit as compellingly---not just by "homers" as so many like to call them, but by some pretty objective people with intimate knowledge of the situation.

As you know, based on your extensive study of Redskins boards, myself and many others have written extensively about each of the topics you raise. You've seen the discussions, and decided that, in each and every case, the most negative possible interpretation of events is the one to adopt for yourself. That's cool ... it plays well here, as I'm sure everyone who chimes in will attest. It just doesn't present me with a very intriguing place to have to recreate the thousands of words I've already written on those subjects here for you and your board-mate's enjoyment (and, I'm sure, fair and objective critique). Besides, if you really want my take on any of those subjects, they're available on my home site. We've installed a handy "search" function for everyone's convenience in that regard.

Like I said before, until my team starts winning again, there are those who will see them and every single thing they do as an easy target for criticism and snickering. You've elected to go that route. Sorry, but I just don't have the energy to go through it all again here. Not today, anyway.

Meanwhile, you guys continue to feel free to take any positive and spin it into a negative. That, too, really is amazing to see.

Talk soon. And feel free to congratulate yourselves on whooping *** here.

AsthmaField · 06-11-2005

I'm not trying to "prove" anything in front of friends. I was talking to you, Om. If you like to paint me as a little kid, saying things at the encouragement of his friends... go ahead if it'll make you feel better. Perhaps any of the Extremeskins readers that happen along will enjoy that view with you... I know that's a big thing for some of the long time posters over there. They apparently love doing that to the delight of their followers.

However, that doesn't do anything for me. No, I said it because that's what I think. You Skins fans sit in the comfort of your site and keep telling each other over and over that it's going to all be okay. That's fine if you want to do that. When you come over here and try to tell us that we only read the headlines and that the Redskins off season wasn't bad... well, it makes me wonder who's telling who that the world is flat.

If my post had a sarcastic edge in it, it was only mirroring the tone of the post you wrote in response to my first post in this thread.

You were talking to me and you assumed that I was only a "headline" reader, which is wrong, so I made a response (albiet a long one) saying you always use that with rival fans when you shouldn't always jump to that conclusion. To make the analogy that saying the redskins had a bad off season is similar to saying the world is flat, only serves to show your frame of mind on the subject and how unequivocably right you think are about that.

And I never said anything about "whooping" anyone's a**. I really didn't view it in that light, Om. It wasn't a competition... it was a discussion. No winner and no loser... only two differing viewpoints. I was only giving the facts as I saw them and asking you to tell me what I was missing. Truly, I thought there could be some issues or slants on the issues that I might be missing. I didn't think there would be... but I know there could be some things that I've missed and was giving you the opportunity to bring them up.

If you had responded to my first post with something like: "I know it looks pretty bad, but there are some things not noticeable to the casual fan that have happened that makes this offseason not too bad."

I would've agreed with that. But you came on here basically saying we didn't know anything because we're not Redskin fans and you made it sound like the positives far outweighed the negatives. I just don't think that's accurate, so I gave facts showed why I thought that way.

My "extensive study" of redskins boards in no more extensive than your study here, I'm sure. It's just an interest in a rival of my favorite team... just like you apparently have. And I have seen your posts on Extremeskins, and they are the most positive possible interpretation of events (and very well written, I might add). That's why I felt compelled to give the counter-point to your point. That's why I gave the most negative possible interpretation of events.

I was showing that for all of the Extremeskins positive spin... there is also a negative spin on the same subjects.

But hey, I'm guilty of putting a positive spin on everything Blue and Silver, so I'm not really one to talk... and I wouldn't expect anything else from a true Redskin fan. But at least I know that I'm putting a positive spin on the Cowboys and I wouldn't go to rival fans and tell them their viewpoints of the Cowboys are wrong, simply because they root against them. I know I'm biased and see things through Blue and Silver glasses... You spoke like you were unequivocably right and we were all uneducated schmucks who didn't know the first thing about the Washington Redskins.

Chocolate Lab · 06-11-2005

Om talks as if offseason front office moves are some kind of Rorschach test with no right or wrong, able to be interpreted any number of ways depending on the mental state of the viewer.

I don't think that's quite the case.

Om · 06-11-2005

Asthma,

When you say things like "you Skins fans sit in the comfort of your site and keep telling each other over and over that it's going to all be okay," and "I have seen your posts on Extremeskins, and they are the most positive possible interpretation of events, "that's where you lose me.

I'm not "you Skins fans." I'm one guy with one view.

And as you've seen on Extremeskins, there is NOT one voice or view there---there are literally tens of thousands, ranging from screaming lunatics who call themselves Redskins fans but hate on the team far more than even most rabid Cowboy fans do, to people who see only heaven's own golden light in everything the team says or does. I'm not that guy, either, despite your suggestion.

If I lumped you too quickly with people who are simply into lecturing me on my team based on headline-reading, my apologies. It happens so often, perhaps I have gotten a bit quick on the trigger. Here, let me rephrase:

I know it looks pretty bad, but there are some things not noticeable to the casual fan that have happened that makes this offseason not too bad.

Better?

The30YardSlant · 06-11-2005

Looks like Om here bit off a little more than he could chew, so he ran back to Extremeskins crying:

"It's not a rivalry. Hell, at any given time, there are almost as many threads about this site on that board as there are threads about the Cowboys. That's not a "rivalry," that's ownage."

Strange, considering currently there are 8 thread sinvolving Dallas on page 1 of ES, including 3 about how they get a burning sensation in their urine every time they think about beating Dallas.

Om · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Om talks as if offseason front office moves are some kind of Rorschach test with no right or wrong, able to be interpreted any number of ways depending on the mental state of the viewer.

I don't think that's quite the case.

That's silly. Semi-cute, but silly.

Having an opinion on a matter is one thing; having an informed opinion on a matter is entirely another. It usually takes me about 10 seconds of hearing someone's opinion on a particular Redskins-related matter to get a pretty good sense of just how informed their opinion is. That's not due to assumed level of intelligence, by the way---it's due to the fact I have no life and spend far too much time on the Redskins.

The biggest tip-off, typically, is whether or not someone is willing or able to acknowledge the opposite view on a particular matter, or if they are simply repeating the standard, semi-informed partisan position of one side of an issue---be it pro or con. In my experience, when that's the jumping-off point for a discussion, the smart money is to head the other direction.

The other is when a smart guy like Asthma throws about 20 different subjects at you, knowing full well that about half of them don't even belong in a discussion about THIS Redskins team THIS offseason, and apparently thinks you're going to suspend a sizeable percentage of your admittedly bereft weekend life trying to play Sisyphus while a silver and blue clad throng hurls peanuts and pelts him with cow dung from the sidelines.

I look forward to talking more with you, Asthma. Just let's pace ourselves, okay?

Om · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

Looks like Om here bit off a little more than he could chew, so he ran back to Extremeskins crying:

"It's not a rivalry. Hell, at any given time, there are almost as many threads about this site on that board as there are threads about the Cowboys. That's not a "rivalry," that's ownage."

Strange, considering currently there are 8 thread sinvolving Dallas on page 1 of ES, including 3 about how they get a burning sensation in their urine every time they think about beating Dallas.

Hello, Hitta.

Always nice to see our better house-cleaning decisions reaffirmed.

The30YardSlant · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Om

That's silly. Semi-cute, but silly.

Having an opinion on a matter is one thing; having an informed opinion on a matter is entirely another. It usually takes me about 10 seconds of hearing someone's opinion on a particular Redskins-related matter to get a pretty good sense of just how informed their opinion is. That's not due to assumed level of intelligence, by the way---it's due to the fact I have no life and spend far too much time on the Redskins.

The biggest tip-off, typically, is whether or not someone is willing or able to acknowledge the opposite view on a particular matter, or if they are simply repeating the standard, semi-informed partisan position of one side of an issue---be it pro or con. In my experience, when that's the jumping-off point for a discussion, the smart money is to head the other direction.

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Ironic, coming from a guy who's own boards moderators have the football knowledge of a retarded badger. Guys over there like Art, Die Hard, yourself, etc. flaunt "football knowledge" in an attempt to appeal to their audience. Art is just a power hungry moron with no sense of up or down, Die Hard bans anyone who makes him look stupid ( believe me, I was banned for the most massive mod owning in that sites history), and you insult anyone who claims to know anything about the foreskins who isnt a Washington fan, yet on ES you claim to be a guru on the Dallas Cowboys. Asthma took you to school, and you know it. Despite what you may or may not think, we are capable of knowing something about other teams, especially a team that is the laughing stock of the NFL.

Now, you may continue to spin away in your own little world.

What a joke.

The30YardSlant · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Om

Hello, Hitta.

Always nice to see our better house-cleaning decisions reaffirmed.

Oh, this will be good. I'm very sorry to inform you, but you have not rid yourself of me. I am currently registered on ES (of course I wont tell you what username I use), and have had 3 different usernames banned there, but not because they ever figured out who I was, because twice I made Die Hard look like a fool and the other was my fault, a little to much smack. However, I doubt you will discover my current identity there.

Kinda hurts when you realize that your mods there arent to quick to pick up on those things.

Om · 06-11-2005

Hey BP, Hos & Co.,

You guys KNOW how tempting it is to get into HH here, right? But I suspect he embarrasses you guys enough without my help, so I won't.

You can have him all to yourselves.

The30YardSlant · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Om

Hey BP, Hos & Co.,

You guys KNOW how tempting it is to get into HH here, right? But I suspect he embarrasses you guys enough without my help, so I won't.

You can have him all to yourselves.

Yes, lets see you "get into me" here. My God you are a tool. I'll make you a fool just like I did at ES, even your own posters were laughing at you after the whole Die Hard incident.

AsthmaField · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Om

When you say things like "you Skins fans sit in the comfort of your site and keep telling each other over and over that it's going to all be okay," and "I have seen your posts on Extremeskins, and they are the most positive possible interpretation of events, "that's where you lose me.

I'm not "you Skins fans." I'm one guy with one view.

True enough Om. I'm guilty of doing nearly the exact thing that I was chastising you for. I should've left the folks at Extremeskins and their opinions out. I apologize for that.

However, I was talking specifically about your posts being positive in the extreme. So I made mine negative in the extreme.

You are a very good writer, and in reading over at ES, I happen to actually agree with a lot of what you think. In this though, we differ.

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Originally Posted by Om

let me rephrase:

I know it looks pretty bad, but there are some things not noticeable to the casual fan that have happened that makes this offseason not too bad.

Better?

Lol.

Consider me disarmed.

The30YardSlant · 06-11-2005

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Originally Posted by AsthmaField

Om will have a response. He's probably working it up now and will swoop in and post it in all of it's glory.

Om is obviously a pretty sharp guy, but he and a lot of other Redskin fans are blind to how bad their off season truly has been.

On extremeskins, they can take any negative and spin it into a positive... it really is amazing to see.

Art, in particular is a master of denial. He tries so hard that sometimes he doesn't even make sense, yet he'll stick to that argument like glue.

Sorry Asthma, it light of Om's true stupidity I missed this gem. Good post. They have numerous threads defending everything from Sean "Drive By" Taylor to the Jason Campbell pick to picking TWO FBs in the draft.

Om, I will give you credit, at least you know a good deal aboiut your own team. I cant for the life of me figure out how that joker Art became a mod over there, watching him post is like watching a 5 year old try to drive. Its painful to watch, but hilarious at the same time.

Om · 06-11-2005

Ah. I see the best and brightest has shown up. Since this one appears headed to the Smack Zone now, as most do when he shows up ... just what DO people think of HH's antics around here, anyway?

I'd actually be interested to know.