Eddie George on ESPN RADIO- says that Dallas is one

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by chargrove

Since I have officially changed my opinion on picking him up if available, I would respectfully disagree and give him the 2.5 mil for one year if Dallas has the money. At least he is fairly solid "insurance" and could actually score a few touchdowns inside the 5 yard line.

Not 2.5, no way.

I'd want my insurance gift wrapped from Lloyd's of London for that money.

He would be insurance for the team , but aging receivers with recent injuries in themselves are poor insurance. These aren't Betty Grables legs we're insuring. Or Eddies' 1995 legs.

Over at DC.com there is a Ranch Report dated yesterday in which Mickey mentions George just got a million buck roster bonus recently from Tenn. So if he took the 1.5 from the Titans, he wouldn't be that far from the 4.2 he wants (think that was the number, and love Mickey's math) . But Spags did make the sane remark that when these contract talks break down, a player is sometimes willing to settle for the same number from a new team he just rejected from his former.

If he's not "washed up" he still shouldn't get a penny over 1.55. Give him the slight extra to make him feel good. Even that is high.

Mick seems to think Eddie needs to jump high and fast on an offer or he'll end up playing for his vet min. Also mentioned he might not even make it thru a camp and could be released again..all of it plausible.

We shall see.

[junk]

A couple things to consider:
1. I believe, a vet signed after week 1 of the season does not have his salary guaranteed. This may be when a move is made.
2. Minnesota has a glut of RBs. Oakland too as mentioned earlier. Someone better may shake loose in TC. RB doesn't take a rocket scientist to step in and play so learning the offense in a week is not that big of deal.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Nors

http://nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OF...1=3&_1:col_1=4

Mikey he's not as far off as you think.

We averaged 32.2 attempts a game last season.
We should amp that to 35 with better line

20 Jones
10 George (15 is too high but 10 not)
5 Anderson

Number 1, Nors don't assume 35 carries per game.

Number 2, What about fullback carries? They're going to get 2-4 per game.

Number 3, What about QB carries? The do get carries.

Number 4, What about WR carries? Probably a couple per game.


Go fire up the TI Nors... your math needs to be refigured.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

if you took the name off the back of George's jersey and just judged him a player off the street, he couldn't beat out Hambrick last year. He wouldn't have made an NFL team last year. He was worse than Hambrick by an objective statistical measure imaginable. I don't know what part of 3.3 ypc people don't understand. That wasn't a fluke, he's been absolutely terrible since we left the last melleinum. His star power and name recognition are the only reason he's held a job in the NFL for the last 3 years.


He's just a bad football player who is too old to ever get any better. So yes, I would rather have every guy on our roster than Eddie George, I don't care what he did in 1998.

Inman... I think these folks are nuts. George played behind a better line than Hambrick AND he had a lower average. That in itself is incredible. But there are folks here clamoring for his signing.

I've got some inhabitable swamp land too I want to peddle. I think I've found some suckers... er... buyers.

[Mike 1967]

Originally Posted by Rack

Troy Hambrick Part II... that's what I think.


George is washed up. If I wanted an old, washed up RB on my team I'd want it to be Emmitt (who is better then George right now anyway).

Although George may be washed up due to mileage.....I totally disagree with your Hambrick analogy.

George was a winner. Hambrick never was and never will be.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by RW31

Bickerstaff's injury does raise some interest in a power, goaline back, but George will damand more money then I wanna give him. You could get an ufa that would do just as good of a job with 5-7 carries...

What we need is a feature back more than a power back around the goal if Julius/OL is not the answer. Smith scored a lot of TDs without being a power back. He had the vision, enough power and a great OL. We didn't need a power back. Hopefully Julius and this OL can do the same and we won't need to bring someone in around the goal or on short and 3.

Now we have a suspect at least unproven OL, an unproven rookie RB, no running attack already here before Jones, and a bruising but also untested RB who is now injured and out for the year. Bickerstaff was a hope not a known answer.

If you wait for George you will likely loose him. He needs to go somewhere for job security and also to learn a new offense. That's assuming he is going to get cut.

George is not a breakaway threat. He needs carries to produce. He needs an OL that can wear another team down with him. He needs enough of a passing attack/varied offense the other teams can't key on him. He is gonna produce yds but he won't manufacture a lot by himself other than 3+yds and a cloud of dust.

I think we can pick up a bruiser assuming someone here can't get you 2-3 yds when you need it. Let George go. He will have a good year doing that for a team very near a championship for sure. Like Philly. He doesn't have enough gas/mileage left to take him over a possible longer term solution.

The cons outway the negatives IMO.

[Mike 1967]

Originally Posted by jobberone

What we need is a feature back more than a power back around the goal if Julius/OL is not the answer. Smith scored a lot of TDs without being a power back. He had the vision, enough power and a great OL. We didn't need a power back. Hopefully Julius and this OL can do the same and we won't need to bring someone in around the goal or on short and 3.

Now we have a suspect at least unproven OL, an unproven rookie RB, no running attack already here before Jones, and a bruising but also untested RB who is now injured and out for the year. Bickerstaff was a hope not a known answer.

If you wait for George you will likely loose him. He needs to go somewhere for job security and also to learn a new offense. That's assuming he is going to get cut.

[View Full Quote]George is not a breakaway threat. He needs carries to produce. He needs an OL that can wear another team down with him. He needs enough of a passing attack/varied offense the other teams can't key on him. He is gonna produce yds but he won't manufacture a lot by himself other than 3+yds and a cloud of dust.

I think we can pick up a bruiser assuming someone here can't get you 2-3 yds when you need it. Let George go. He will have a good year doing that for a team very near a championship for sure. Like Philly. He doesn't have enough gas/mileage left to take him over a possible longer term solution.

The cons outway the negatives IMO.

I think your assesment is in line with Parcells goal.

He is looking for the next Curtis Martin. He wants a player that will not make mistakes...make steady yardage and bust an occasional game changer. Speed is a necessary ingredient for the latter.

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Inman... I think these folks are nuts. George played behind a better line than Hambrick AND he had a lower average. That in itself is incredible. But there are folks here clamoring for his signing.

I've got some inhabitable swamp land too I want to peddle. I think I've found some suckers... er... buyers.

I'm ripe for suckering, Mike, as are many fans, but good thing Jerry and Bill are made of sterner stuff.

I did not b*tch and moan all offseason when the party line was don't jump on the over priced FAs, didn't challenge the myth so many so called pearls would drop off in camp (yeh rite), and shut up when the Winfields weren't even let in for an interview.

Now when the true trash is being taken out, I want to bring it in. It must be that extra cap money burning a hole in my, err, Jerry's pocket. :p

Still, no way Eddie George should make more than ...well go look at that salary page and see who is getting paid what around here.

[Yeagermeister]

I say sign him for vet min for insurance

[Charles]

This is a great thread. Good debate Imanroshi, Mick, BP, Tuna.......

Not to side track, but I just listened to the phone call George had with Trey Wingo (ESPN). This is what stood out.....................


Asked during an interview on ESPN radio on Monday where he'd like to play if he doesn't return to the Titans, George singled out the Eagles, Buccaneers and Cowboys.


"I'd like to get with a team that's on the brink of possibly winning the Super Bowl," George told Trey Wingo on The Dan Patrick Radio Show. "Obviously, a team with a need at the position. ... Of those three, that would be a possibility that I would be looking forward to".......................

It's nice to know that our team is regarded by George as being on the brink of a SuperBowl. Defenses win championships.

Mick in reply to your post..........

I can envision George getting 10-15 carries per game. Parcells has utilised running back by committee (see Giants). I think the back-up point has been raised by many posters. I doubt George will sign because he won't be featured on any Special teams units this late in his career, plus Aveion Cason seems to be a forgotten man in all this conversation. He can play on kicking units and has shown a little something toting the ball with limited caries. He's bulked up. It's hard to envision going into the season with Cason and Lee as back-up Rbs should Julius go down, but in Parcells we trust.

[Dale]

I wouldn't mind having George on this team. A successful back like him (not necessarily his current performance level, but as far as his career) could give Julius a few pointers. He also has a lot of heart and would no doubt make a great presence in the locker room.

I just feel uncomfortable with Lee and Cason as our only other options at running back other than Julius. If Jones were to get hurt, it'd be nice to have a George come in for a game or two and take the load. While he might take the spot of a young player like Lee, I'd prefer to have Lee earn the roster spot than have it given to him because there is no one else competing for the job. If Lee is impressive enough, I'm sure the contract George would be given would be light enough to where he could technically be released without killing our cap (if he's wanting a lot of money, all bets are off).

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Dale

I wouldn't mind having George on this team. A successful back like him (not necessarily his current performance level, but as far as his career) could give Julius a few pointers. He also has a lot of heart and would no doubt make a great presence in the locker room.

I just feel uncomfortable with Lee and Cason as our only other options at running back other than Julius. If Jones were to get hurt, it'd be nice to have a George come in for a game or two and take the load. While he might take the spot of a young player like Lee, I'd prefer to have Lee earn the roster spot than have it given to him because there is no one else competing for the job. If Lee is impressive enough, I'm sure the contract George would be given would be light enough to where he could technically be released without killing our cap (if he's wanting a lot of money, all bets are off).

Ditto..........

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Qcard

This is a great thread. Good debate Imanroshi, Mick, BP, Tuna.......

Not to side track, but I just listened to the phone call George had with Trey Wingo (ESPN). This is what stood out.....................


Asked during an interview on ESPN radio on Monday where he'd like to play if he doesn't return to the Titans, George singled out the Eagles, Buccaneers and Cowboys.


"I'd like to get with a team that's on the brink of possibly winning the Super Bowl," George told Trey Wingo on The Dan Patrick Radio Show. "Obviously, a team with a need at the position. ... Of those three, that would be a possibility that I would be looking forward to".......................

It's nice to know that our team is regarded by George as being on the brink of a SuperBowl. Defenses win championships.

Mick in reply to your post..........

[View Full Quote]I can envision George getting 10-15 carries per game. Parcells has utilised running back by committee (see Giants). I think the back-up point has been raised by many posters. I doubt George will sign because he won't be featured on any Special teams units this late in his career, plus Aveion Cason seems to be a forgotten man in all this conversation. He can play on kicking units and has shown a little something toting the ball with limited caries. He's bulked up. It's hard to envision going into the season with Cason and Lee as back-up Rbs should Julius go down, but in Parcells we trust.

But Q, where are the carries going to come from? Here's the math:

Say we average 33 carries per game... not an unreasonable figure right?

Now lets subtract 2 per game for the QB.

We have 31 carries per game.

Now lets subtract 2 per game for the WRs.

We now have 29 carries per game.

I'm betting Richie Anderson gets at least 5 carries per game.

We now have 24 carries per game.

The fullbacks will get 4 carries per game.

We now have 20 carries per game.


20 carries per game. And if Julius Jones doesn't get at least 15 of those somone needs to be tossed in prison or at least room with Hos for one year... which ever is deemed more cruel.

So how are you getting 10-15 carries per game for George?

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Dale

I wouldn't mind having George on this team. A successful back like him (not necessarily his current performance level, but as far as his career) could give Julius a few pointers. He also has a lot of heart and would no doubt make a great presence in the locker room.

I just feel uncomfortable with Lee and Cason as our only other options at running back other than Julius. If Jones were to get hurt, it'd be nice to have a George come in for a game or two and take the load. While he might take the spot of a young player like Lee, I'd prefer to have Lee earn the roster spot than have it given to him because there is no one else competing for the job. If Lee is impressive enough, I'm sure the contract George would be given would be light enough to where he could technically be released without killing our cap (if he's wanting a lot of money, all bets are off).

If Julius Jones gets hurt?

What if Emmitt got hurt?

For that matter you had "Eddie George" on the roster. Any washed up back can get 3.3 ypc. If I'm going to even consider a vet backup give me someone that has hit 4.0 since George Dubya was elected. Geez.

[InmanRoshi]

I just wish I could find as much solace and comfort in "insurance" as you guys do, especially when our "insurance" has proven to be a bad football player. I don't find comfort knowing we have proven bad players on our football team. Especially when those bad players are old, and have no shot of getting better.

I mean ... come on. You think Hambrick was bad? Hambrick had a better ypc than George. George had 300 carries last year and his longest run was 27 yards. Hambrick had 275 carries and had a long run of 42 yards. George only had 5 games last year where he had a run for 15 yards or longer. Hambrick had 6 games last year where he had a run of 15 yards or longer.

You have to suck pretty bad to make Troy Hambrick look like a breakaway threat.