Manny Lawson at 18?? - Dallas Cowboys Forum

peplaw06 · 02-06-2006

Maybe I'm blind or haven't seen enough mock drafts. Lots of people on here are talking about Manny Lawson for us at 18. But I have yet to see him on any mock drafts being taken in the first round. So my question, is he a reach for us at 18?? Obviously we could trade down if he is a reach. Or maybe if you've seen a mock draft where he's taken in the first round, please post.

neosapien23 · 02-06-2006

Ware wasn't in the mock first rounds last year either. Lawson is even faster than Ware and is just as good as a pass rusher at the college level. After the combine, he will shoot up the draft boards. With that I would rather take Jon Scott at 18.

Z-Man · 02-06-2006

Draft projections will change drastically after the combine.

Dayton Cowboy · 02-06-2006

If we go OLB at 18, and Carpenter is still on the board, Carpenter is my first pick preference. Well unless somehow AJ Hawk is still available ( I can dream big)

Clove · 02-06-2006

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Originally Posted by peplaw06

Maybe I'm blind or haven't seen enough mock drafts. Lots of people on here are talking about Manny Lawson for us at 18. But I have yet to see him on any mock drafts being taken in the first round. So my question, is he a reach for us at 18?? Obviously we could trade down if he is a reach. Or maybe if you've seen a mock draft where he's taken in the first round, please post.

Only teams that run a 3-4 would probably be most interested. And alot of those teams have different needs.

I would take Carpenter, and if he's there at 18, I might seriously entertain any team interested in trading up.

neosapien23 · 02-06-2006

[quote=Cowboy_love_4ever]Only teams that run a 3-4 would probably be most interested. And alot of those teams have different needs.

Not true. He could play DE in the 4-3. He is not that much different than John Abraham who is an elite DE.

KD · 02-06-2006

GBN has him going number 12 to the Browns and with a good combine effort I expect him to go somewhere around there. He is supposed to be a workout warrior and after doing so well in Senior Bowl practices, he will shoot up after the combine.

Clove · 02-07-2006

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Only teams that run a 3-4 would probably be most interested. And alot of those teams have different needs.

Not true. He could play DE in the 4-3. He is not that much different than John Abraham who is an elite DE.

He was invisible in the Senior bowl, he got loose a couple of times, but was not really in the QB's face.

But if you payed attention to Darryl Tapp, he was all over the QB - but he's too slow... I don't understand how he could be in the QB's face all day long and the fast guys rarely got to the QB.

If you move Lawson to olb, he will dominate. I'm torn on Lawson and Carpenter right now. *one more note* If Lawson plays DE in a 4-3, he will be eaten alive in the running game...

Z-Man · 02-07-2006

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Originally Posted by neosapien23

He was invisible in the Senior bowl, he got loose a couple of times, but was not really in the QB's face.

But if you payed attention to Darryl Tapp, he was all over the QB - but he's too slow... I don't understand how he could be in the QB's face all day long and the fast guys rarely got to the QB.

If you move Lawson to olb, he will dominate. I'm torn on Lawson and Carpenter right now. *one more note* If Lawson plays DE in a 4-3, he will be eaten alive in the running game...

Not everyone who has big games in the senior bowl pan out in the NFL, and vice-versa not everyone who has a bad/mediocre game end up as busts.

Remember it is just one game and one game only. If you judge anyone in this draft only on their worst game of the season, none would be 1st rounders.

NewmanFan4 · 02-07-2006

My problem with Lawson is this:

Lawson is a liability in run defense. As a strong side OLB in the 3-4, that has to be your forte. Now, Lawson IS a terror on the pass rush, but that is for the WOLB, which is already manned by Ware. If we were to draft Lawson, he would make our pass rush better, but our run defense worse. I think he could improve our team as a whole, but Ware, with his improved skills against the run might have to move to SOLB. I'm not too comfortable with that.

Carpenter is a great choice for SOLB in the 3-4. I'm just afraid he'll be gone by the time we pick. Or he'll be there, and we'll trade down to try to get him later, and someone will snatch him up before he gets to us.

neosapien23 · 02-07-2006

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Originally Posted by neosapien23

He was invisible in the Senior bowl, he got loose a couple of times, but was not really in the QB's face.

But if you payed attention to Darryl Tapp, he was all over the QB - but he's too slow... I don't understand how he could be in the QB's face all day long and the fast guys rarely got to the QB.

If you move Lawson to olb, he will dominate. I'm torn on Lawson and Carpenter right now. *one more note* If Lawson plays DE in a 4-3, he will be eaten alive in the running game...

I think 18 is too high for a linebacker. We already spent a first on Ware and a 2nd on Burnett. Burnett better get with the program before he becomes labeled as a bust. I would take Scott in the first and Tapp in the 2nd. Wimberely is another intriguing option in the 2nd.

junk · 02-07-2006

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Originally Posted by NewmanFan4

My problem with Lawson is this:

Lawson is a liability in run defense. As a strong side OLB in the 3-4, that has to be your forte. Now, Lawson IS a terror on the pass rush, but that is for the WOLB, which is already manned by Ware. If we were to draft Lawson, he would make our pass rush better, but our run defense worse. I think he could improve our team as a whole, but Ware, with his improved skills against the run might have to move to SOLB. I'm not too comfortable with that.

Carpenter is a great choice for SOLB in the 3-4. I'm just afraid he'll be gone by the time we pick. Or he'll be there, and we'll trade down to try to get him later, and someone will snatch him up before he gets to us.

This is my belief as well. Everyone here is trying to convince me that Dallas wants two pass rushing demons on each side.

Looking at BP's history, he is probably more likely to draft an ILB and move him to OLB.

Carpenter is a prototype SOLB in the 3-4 IMO.

CrazyCowboy · 02-07-2006

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Originally Posted by neosapien23

Ware wasn't in the mock first rounds last year either. Lawson is even faster than Ware and is just as good as a pass rusher at the college level. After the combine, he will shoot up the draft boards. With that I would rather take Jon Scott at 18.

Are you sure he is faster then Ware? I would like to see that race......if he is faster then Ware.....I say take him.

neosapien23 · 02-07-2006

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Are you sure he is faster then Ware? I would like to see that race......if he is faster then Ware.....I say take him.

Yes he is faster. He was supposedly clocked at 4.43 forty. I think Ware was somewhere around a 4.56.

jbsg02 · 02-07-2006

I think I would take Carpenter over Lawson. Carpenter was very productive and his pass rushing skills are under-rated.

We will have to wait til after free agency to see what positions are filled.