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burmafrd · 07-04-2006

With Brooks history of trouble, anyone risking more then a 5th should have their heads examined. His measureables look to be around a late 2nd, at best, since we are talking an ILB. IF it was just a question of talent, then a 3rd would be appropriate. BUT with his problems, a 5th is as high as anyone should go. I don't see the BOys doing that, but the way BP likes LB's (almost as much as he likes TE's) he might give a 5th if Groh says the kid can be turned around. A 5th is not that much to gamble.

thor_01 · 07-04-2006

if BP takes the kid in the second, wont bother me any, that means Groh told him enough to make taking him that high worth it, if he takes him in the 5th also wont bother me cause that means the same thing, either way sitting at home and speculating based on your own personal grudge or opinion of a kid u wouldnt know if he fell on u at Walmart is probably stronger grounds for visiting a shrink .............................

burmafrd · 07-04-2006

but what else do we do but speculate on people we have never met and never will meet here on this board?

Tristan · 07-04-2006

I agree with Silver Bear, speculating on what are front office is thinking is pure conjecture.

It's pretty simple, Ahmad Brooks has enormous potential, he has flashed the ability to not only be considered a top five pick, but a rare game changing, dominant franchise type LB.

If our front office decides they wan't Brooks, then they will use whatever pick they feel they will need to use to acquire him. One things for sure, if we do make the move to draft Brooks then we will have certainly decided that his talents are worth the investment, and it will also mean that after having done our due dilligence regarding his alledged character issues, that we decided we were comfortable in that area as well. And if that's the case we will know that Parcells had the information he needed from guys like Al Groh, and Chris Canty to make an educated decision. And if our front office decides that he will be an assett to our team, then I will be very excited about the addition of such a talented LB to our already impressive young def.

Screw The Hall · 07-04-2006

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Originally Posted by abersonc

Your username says exactly what I think about anyone using a #1 on Brooks.

Especially if you are the 49ers and that 1st rounder very possibly could end up being the 1st overall pick. Noway.

silverbear · 07-04-2006

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

With Brooks history of trouble, anyone risking more then a 5th should have their heads examined. His measureables look to be around a late 2nd, at best, since we are talking an ILB.

Without all the off-field issues, most scouts agree that Brooks would likely have been a top 10 pick next year...

Just another example of how you really don't know what you're talking about, when it comes to Ahmad Brooks... you read that he has had some issues with marijuana, and stopped looking for any other relevant info...

I can guarantee you that Brooks will go before the 5th round...

silverbear · 07-04-2006

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

but what else do we do but speculate on people we have never met and never will meet here on this board?

It would be nice if your "speculating" was rooted in something FACTUAL... when you say that "based on talent alone", he'd be worth a 3rd round pick, you clearly show that you don't really know how highly regarded that talent is among NFL personnel evaluators...

And of course, you've gone WAY past "speculating", you're conducting your own little personal jihad against Brooks... anybody who mentions his name is guaranteed to see you jumping into the thread, foaming at the mouth...

It's enough to make me wonder if you weren't Ahmad's hookup, and he stiffed you on his last dime bag...

silverbear · 07-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Tristan

I agree with Silver Bear, speculating on what are front office is thinking is pure conjecture.

It's pretty simple, Ahmad Brooks has enormous potential, he has flashed the ability to not only be considered a top five pick, but a rare game changing, dominant franchise type LB.

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I like that take, provided you're also willing to accept it if the Boys ultimately decide NOT to take a flyer on him... to me, that will suggest that they got a less than glowing review from Al Groh... I can admit that on various boards, I have heard fans from the Charlottesville area who have said that when he's not on the field, Brooks is an arrogant jerk... obviously, I don't know him personally, but if what they say is true, if he does have a bit of a sociopathic streak, then I wouldn't want the Boys bringing in a potential troublemaker...

But as you said, if they DO make a run at Brooks, that will be the clearest possible indicator that they were told (by folks in the know) that his off-field problems were really not that big a deal, and that he might be worth a shot...

CrazyCowboy · 07-04-2006

Brooks looks to be putting the work in.....maybe he gets it now

**ABQCOWBOY** · 07-05-2006

I, for one, hope San Fran does spend a 1st on Brooks. That would mean one less team in the mix for a QB in next years draft. I'm all for that.

CooterBrown · 07-05-2006

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I, for one, hope San Fran does spend a 1st on Brooks. That would mean one less team in the mix for a QB in next years draft. I'm all for that.

I agree, but I think it is a smokescreen. I can't believe anybody would spend a first round pick on a linebacker who plans to play at 245lbs and allowed himself to balloon up to 290lbs.

I may be mistaken, but this looks like a guy who gets by on physical ability and is too lazy to keep himself in shape. He's getting in shape now because he is looking for a big contract. He acts like one of those players who will be an outstanding player in the last year of his contract, sign a big free-agent contract and then coast along again. It may simply be immaturity and he might respond to good coaching, but I personally doubt it. I look at this guy and see squandered potential in his future.

The 49ers may be desparate, but I doubt any team is first round desparate for this guy. In a late round you can afford to take a chance. First round needs to be as close to a definite pro-bowler as you can get. The draft sometimes resembles a crap-shoot, but any GM that gambles a first rounder on this guy is probably also gambling with his own job.

burmafrd · 07-05-2006

Silver, you are so much on Brooks jock that I wonder how many are laughing at you. He is an ILB, which is not considered that important compared to OLB. And those EXPERTS you keep talking about- some of them are the ones that say he is not all that. Where did the top ILB's go in this draft- people like Hodge? Not in the first rd. You have to be really good to go in the 2nd. And with someone with all the baggage Brooks has- a 3rd would be as high as anyone- even those really desperate like the 49rs and others- would go for him. I think he is not worth more then a 5th. As Sean Taylor AKA "the thug" shows, all the physical ability in the world cannot make up for a 10 cent head. And that looks like what Brooks has got- a 10 cent head. His numbers at his work out were not all that good anyway.

RCowboyFan · 07-05-2006

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Originally Posted by silverbear

It would be nice if your "speculating" was rooted in something FACTUAL... when you say that "based on talent alone", he'd be worth a 3rd round pick, you clearly show that you don't really know how highly regarded that talent is among NFL personnel evaluators...

And of course, you've gone WAY past "speculating", you're conducting your own little personal jihad against Brooks... anybody who mentions his name is guaranteed to see you jumping into the thread, foaming at the mouth...

It's enough to make me wonder if you weren't Ahmad's hookup, and he stiffed you on his last dime bag...

Oh boy, you are on a cursade again aren't ya

Tristan · 07-05-2006

Silver Bear, I agree completely, if we don't put in a card for him then it tells me all I need to know. Jerry has shown that if he want's a player then more often then not he will get that player.

If we want Ahmad then we will get him if the cost is reasonable. If we don't then we won't. And I will be in full support of our front office's decision.

As for Bumfraud, tell Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Johnathan Vilma that Inside Linebackers are "not considered important".

And if you read Silverbear's responce to my original post then you should see that he is keeping an open mind on the issue, unlike you and Dbair or whatever his name is that seems to be on a mission to tell the world that Ahmad is a worthless piece of trash, as if you guys really have a clue.

burmafrd · 07-05-2006

While Brooks probably is TRASH, he is probably a physically talented player. AND I stand by the fact that ILB in the 3-4 is much less important then an OLB. Its a lot easier to fill the ILB slots. Its like DE's in the 4-3 vs DT's. One is a lot easier to find then the other- and that makes it more important. By the way, Silver was claiming early on that Brooks was all world- which he never was. He got chopped down after Brooks workout- which was good but certainly not first rd numbers.