So, Any Tweeners Rated in the First Round?

[Dat Dude]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Birdine is so overrated its not funny.

I like Crowder though. He could probably play that position that Ellis does.


Lets just hope Carpenter lives up to the hype.

Carp might be 259 or so... But if he was 6'5 hed be a better fit.... for SOLB

At 6'2 inside is where he belongs..

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

It was pretty common knowledge around draft time that scouts had him as an ILB in the 3-4. New England had him slated there.

that actually didn't become knowledge till after the draft

[Natedawg44]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Birdine is so overrated its not funny.

I like Crowder though. He could probably play that position that Ellis does.


Lets just hope Carpenter lives up to the hype.

Homer alert
The OU guy sucks
The texas guy is good

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by theogt

He never competed for LOLB spot in training camp. He practiced on the inside immediately.

That's because they were giving Ellis a "crash course" at SOLB and they had Als behind him. Carpenter wasn't going to get any snaps at that position and Parcells said that.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by summerisfunner

that actually didn't become knowledge till after the draft

That's why I said, "around draft time."

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

That's because they were giving Ellis a "crash course" at SOLB and they had Als behind him. Carpenter wasn't going to get any snaps at that position and Parcells said that.

Like I said, he never competed for the outside position.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Dat Dude

Carp might be 259 or so... But if he was 6'5 hed be a better fit.... for SOLB

At 6'2 inside is where he belongs..

So you're saying we spent a 1st round draft pick on a guy to play behind Akin and James? Akin we had just signed to a big contract and James was very, very good last year... you really believe we spent a 1st rounder to back up those two spots? LOL!

I call "BS".

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by theogt

That's why I said, "around draft time."

Like I said, he never competed for the outside position.

But I guess his is now huh?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

That's why I said, "around draft time."

once the draft is over, there is no "draft time"

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by summerisfunner

once the draft is over, there is no "draft time"

Someone is playing "games" with the calendar.

[theogt]

Before this whole conversation takes my post count up towards 5000 posts, I want to point out that I think Carpenter was drafted with an eye toward playing the LOLB. HOWEVER! The reason he was drafted over Lawson is because he would make the perfect ILB because of his size/frame. Carpenter had the ability to play multiple positions and Bill knew about the Greg Ellis experiment before we all even had it on our radar. In hindsight, I'm not sure why we ever doubted Greg in the first place. It wasn't really a stretch for Parcells to think he could succeed standing up. Heck, 3-4 defenses ask 4-3 DEs to do it all the time and they typically do succeed. The position isn't that much different.

[DaBoyz73]

Originally Posted by theogt

Both really. I'd love to see us get a top flight WR. I don't see Glenn around much longer. TO is a toss up. Austin, Hurd, and Crayton all have the potential to be very solid #2/3 receivers. I want a first round potential pro-bowl receiver.

Okay, and who might that be?

[theogt]

Originally Posted by summerisfunner

once the draft is over, there is no "draft time"

Arguing for the sake of argument? "Around draft time" means around draft time. You know, the months of March, April, and May. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

Arguing for the sake of argument? "Around draft time" means around draft time. You know, the months of March, April, and May. I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

the draft is over

there is no more draft

anything after that, the word "draft", can't be applied cuz it ceases to exist

I wouldn't have a problem if you said, "after the draft", because using "around draft-time", is suiting your argument that he was drafted to be an ILB, which isn't true

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Natedawg44

Homer alert
The OU guy sucks
The texas guy is good

Im not a Texas fan but I do hate OU.


With that said i'll give any player credit where credit is due and the only player on that defense worth a darn is Reggie Smith.

I guess Rufus would be a solid pick for a 4-3 team.

[Dat Dude]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

So you're saying we spent a 1st round draft pick on a guy to play behind Akin and James? Akin we had just signed to a big contract and James was very, very good last year... you really believe we spent a 1st rounder to back up those two spots? LOL!

I call "BS".

I like Carps potential... Really do..

Loved that Trio at OSU last year and want them all too succeed at NYJ, GB and dallas. But..... I think he was picked for SOLB in mind but was an insurance policy for AKIN if he didnt work out. Guy played DE at Purdue and in a 4-3 with Jags.. You can never have enough big LB's that can run. Bobby was this on tape last year. Like Bill was saying today at PC , Bobby's issue is confindence. He doesnt have that same OSU swagger that he did last year. Even at the Fiesta Bowl when he ran out on field, he lokks totally different. He went from Stud on Campus, to lost on Kick Off team. He plays too tentative like hes scared to mess up .. Not the same instinctive guy I saw against UT last year...

So with Greg being out, Bobby will be given chance but ONLY due to injury.. With AKIN playing well he will only sniff field if he plays SOLB well or can be a down rusher in nickel or dime...

Not a wasted pick , just a depth issue.. I still think he's too short for SOLB, he will be good in coverage.. but doesnt impress me shedding blocks...