Any Texas Tech fans? - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Txguy86 · 01-17-2007

I want to verify thats the 1:50 min mark in the clip

Bob Sacamano · 01-17-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy493

A. Boldin's draft stock fell in the draft because he ran in the 4.6-4.7 range in all of his workouts prior to the draft.........

that's because he was coming off a terrible knee injury, and it doesn't hurt that he's a former QB

btw, FSU's Chris Davis is another late 2nd day pick at WR to look out for, he's fast as hell and a playmaker, but he was playing in the bogged down FSU O, and Drew Weatherford wasn't exactly the model of consistency at QB

silverbear · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy493

A. Boldin's draft stock fell in the draft because he ran in the 4.6-4.7 range in all of his workouts prior to the draft.........

Boldin was apparently hurt that offseason, but in reality is generally a 4.55 40 type...

Quote:

there have been several 4.3 guys that bust in the NFL because they don't play with game speed.

Superstar Randal Williams comes to mind... so does Alexander Wright...

Quote:

Filani is a very good WR, period,

Filani is a very good COLLEGE WR, period... there is every reason to doubt whether or not he'll ever be a successful NFL WR, because of his speed... the DBs in the NFL are MUCH faster, and if you can't get open, you won't get many chances to catch the ball, will you??

Which is why he's not even considered a first day draft prospect on any draft board I've seen... the consensus seems to have him going in the 5th or 6th rounds...

Quote:

If you all recall, Michael Irvin wasn't very fast either.

Michael Irvin was a lot faster than Filani is...

Look, this may sound like a UT fan just raggin' on Tech, but going into this season I had Hicks fairly high on my draft board... he fell off that board by basically disappearing this year... but it is legitimate to note that the stats of any Tech WR should be discounted a bit, because of the system they run there...

It is also legit to be highly suspicious of Filani's NFL prospects, when he runs a 4.7 40... I personally wouldn't take a chance on that sort of WR, particularly not when the Boys have a number of big WRs, but could use a bit more speed in their WR corps... IOW, is Filani good enough to supplant Miles Austin or Sam Hurd, or should we be looking for a smaller, sub-4.4 second 40 type, who might also be able to help out on kick returns??

Txguy86 · 01-18-2007

Guys can get faster it takes alot of hard work and alot of TIME, but guys can get faster and if he can get it down to the 4.6-4.69 range thats a hell of an improvement.

silverbear · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txguy86

Guys can get faster it takes alot of hard work and alot of TIME, but guys can get faster and if he can get it down to the 4.6-4.69 range thats a hell of an improvement.

If he can post a 4.6 or a little under at the combines, or in on-campus Pro Day workouts, I'll move him up my draft board a round or two...

Not until then, though...

WDN · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

Boldin was apparently hurt that offseason, but in reality is generally a 4.55 40 type...

Superstar Randal Williams comes to mind... so does Alexander Wright...

Filani is a very good COLLEGE WR, period... there is every reason to doubt whether or not he'll ever be a successful NFL WR, because of his speed... the DBs in the NFL are MUCH faster, and if you can't get open, you won't get many chances to catch the ball, will you??

Which is why he's not even considered a first day draft prospect on any draft board I've seen... the consensus seems to have him going in the 5th or 6th rounds...

Michael Irvin was a lot faster than Filani is...

[View Full Quote]

This is from the East-West Shrine practice.....

I've received several questions about Texas Tech wide receiver Joel Filani. Filani, like teammates Jarrett Hicks and Robert Johnson, will need to use this week to prove they are more than just products of Tech's system, which is set up to produce big yardage totals. Just look at the history of Tech quarterbacks for proof that big numbers don't necessarily translate into NFL-caliber prospects.

The biggest question about Filani is his speed. He has been clocked at 4.76 seconds in the 40, according to one AFC scout. He is scheduled to do his pre-draft training at Athlete's Performance in Tempe, Ariz. Such top prospects as Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson and LSU's JaMarcus Russell are currently working out at the facility.

Right now, Filani is projected as a mid- to-late third round pick.

Filani is legit. He is right there at the cusp of day one with a slow 40 speed. I would imagine that it will only get better. He is doing very well in the conventional offense that they are running there at the East-West shrine game. Beating these faster DBs.

silverbear · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDN

This is from the East-West Shrine practice.....

The biggest question about Filani is his speed. He has been clocked at 4.76 seconds in the 40, according to one AFC scout. He is scheduled to do his pre-draft training at Athlete's Performance in Tempe, Ariz. Such top prospects as Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson and LSU's JaMarcus Russell are currently working out at the facility.

Right now, Filani is projected as a mid- to-late third round pick.[/i]

By whom??

I ask because the most reputable draft site out there IMO, NFLDraftCountdown.com, lists him as the 20th best WR available, and I highly doubt that 20 WRs will come off the board in the first 3 rounds...

Quote:

He is doing very well in the conventional offense that they are running there at the East-West shrine game. Beating these faster DBs.

Wide receivers always have an advantage over DBs in these all-star games... it should also be noted that he's not going up against the good DBs in this draft class; none of the DBs on the East team are in the top 10 at their respective positions in the NFLDraftCountdown ratings... indeed, only one of them is in the top 16 at his position (Kevin Payne of Louisiana-Monroe, who might be this year's version of Patrick Crayton)...

So, IF he's having success at the Shrine game practices, he's doing so in a format that is tailored for him to have success, against a collection of fringe NFL prospects... and none of them is particularly fast, none of them has a 40 time of under 4.5 seconds according to NFLDraftCountdown...

Clearly, having some success against that crew is not the same thing as having success against honest to Gawd NFL DBs...

WDN · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

By whom??

I ask because the most reputable draft site out there IMO, NFLDraftCountdown.com, lists him as the 20th best WR available, and I highly doubt that 20 WRs will come off the board in the first 3 rounds...

Wide receivers always have an advantage over DBs in these all-star games... it should also be noted that he's not going up against the good DBs in this draft class; none of the DBs on the East team are in the top 10 at their respective positions in the NFLDraftCountdown ratings... indeed, only one of them is in the top 16 at his position (Kevin Payne of Louisiana-Monroe, who might be this year's version of Patrick Crayton)...

[View Full Quote]

Success is success no matter how you slice it. He is doing what you expect him to do. In a system that is "not" his forte. Again I will reiterate there is such a thing as game speed and 40 speed. Don't be tied up in numbers afterall it was those numbers that made the Jets take Blair Thomas over Emmitt Smith.

I'm not really sure who wrote those articles but I was pointing out that Filani has some recognition as to being a first day pick. I fully realize that he won't be any higher than what that guy pointed out but that isn't Filanis' fault. He is going to get hammered by the "system" tag. He is going to get hammered by that 40 time unless he runs better on his pro day. As far as NFL draft countdown I bet Colston wasn't in the top picks and if you had to do the draft over then I'm sure he is a top 10 pick despite being from Hofstra.

I guess my point is that while you are saying system I am saying that he would produce no matter where he went. Good routes also create seperation. While watching Filani he hardly ever had any problems getting open and when he wasn't he still had the hands to get the ball.

I think he could make a very good 2nd/ 3rd option in the NFL.

Deputy493 · 01-18-2007

and where did any of us argue we should take Filani on the first day? I said in the mid rounds, maybe as early as the 4th...........that would be a risk worth taking, especially to those of us who have seen him play a lot more than others.

silverbear · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDN

Success is success no matter how you slice it.

So using that logic, if I get straight A's in junior high school, that means I'm destined to get a Masters degree with honors...

Quote:

He is doing what you expect him to do.

Against a bunch of DBs, the majority of whom will never make it in the NFL... yeah, that means he's ready to use and abuse Terence Newman... LOL...

Quote:

Again I will reiterate there is such a thing as game speed and 40 speed.

And I'll reiterate that if you can't run faster than a 4.7 40, it's HIGHLY unlikely that you'll ever amount to anything as an NFL WR, no matter how good your hands are (and Filani's are excellent)... if you can't get open, you won't get many balls thrown your way...

Quote:

I'm not really sure who wrote those articles but I was pointing out that Filani has some recognition as to being a first day pick.

Then provide us with a link to where you found the quote you shared with us... it makes a difference, whether the guy who said it is an acknowldged draft "expert", or just some fantasy football geek with his own blog...

I manange to cite MY sources as to his draft prospect (well, actually, my one source at this point)...

Quote:

I fully realize that he won't be any higher than what that guy pointed out but that isn't Filanis' fault. He is going to get hammered by the "system" tag. He is going to get hammered by that 40 time unless he runs better on his pro day.

And that IS his "fault"... it's also the point I've been making all along...

Quote:

As far as NFL draft countdown I bet Colston wasn't in the top picks and if you had to do the draft over then I'm sure he is a top 10 pick despite being from Hofstra.

Colston was rated to go right about where he did by those folks... really, it's pretty clear that you've never been to that website (if you had, you'd know that they gave Colston a pretty fair write up), so it's kinda weak for you to try to dismiss them without knowing what they're about, just because you don't like what they had to say about your precious WR...

Quote:

I guess my point is that while you are saying system I am saying that he would produce no matter where he went.

And I'm saying that beating the slower, less talented DBs he saw in college is NOT the same thing as beating NFL DBs... he probably hasn't faced more than 6-10 DBs in his entire NFL career who are that good...

Quote:

Good routes also create seperation.

Not when you run a 4.7 40, they don't... there ain't too many SMUs or Southeast Louisianas on your averaage everyday NFL schedule...

Quote:

While watching Filani he hardly ever had any problems getting open

Again, do try to grasp one basic fact-- NFL DBs are much, much better, much, much faster, than your average college DB...

[/quote]I think he could make a very good 2nd/ 3rd option in the NFL.[/quote]

And I think his max ceiling would somewhere around 20-30 catches in a season-- IF he ever even makes an NFL 53 man roster, which I seriously wonder about...

silverbear · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy493

and where did any of us argue we should take Filani on the first day? I said in the mid rounds, maybe as early as the 4th...........

Read a little closer, somebody else put up a post claiming he was rated a mid to late third rounder... that's the first day...

Quote:

that would be a risk worth taking, especially to those of us who have seen him play a lot more than others.

Because I'm a Texas boy, and I enjoy watching wide-open offensive football, I have long made it a point to check out Tech when they're on the tube nationally... so I have seen Filani play a few games over his career, and I've seen him have some fair to middling days...

Nice try at making it sound like I've never seen the guy play, though...

ghosttown cowboy · 01-18-2007

No, eff TT

Txguy86 · 01-18-2007

"So using that logic, if I get straight A's in junior high school, that means I'm destined to get a Masters degree with honors..."

If your making A's in junior high your expected to make them at higher levels guy

"Not when you run a 4.7 40, they don't... there ain't too many SMUs or Southeast Louisianas on your averaage everyday NFL schedule... "

Texas Tech is in the BIG 12 Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska. National champions have been produced from these teams. All three have also produced excellent football players in the NFL. Tech faces these teams every yr.

Now Im not saying draft filani on the first day, but the boy can play, period.

WDN · 01-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

So using that logic, if I get straight A's in junior high school, that means I'm destined to get a Masters degree with honors...

Don't be a moron. You know that it does make it easier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

Against a bunch of DBs, the majority of whom will never make it in the NFL... yeah, that means he's ready to use and abuse Terence Newman... LOL...

Again what is he supposed to do. Go out and show he could play. I'm sure he showed more to the scouts than some laymen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

And I'll reiterate that if you can't run faster than a 4.7 40, it's HIGHLY unlikely that you'll ever amount to anything as an NFL WR, no matter how good your hands are (and Filani's are excellent)... if you can't get open, you won't get many balls thrown your way...

Again, you fail to acknowledge the two different speeds. They don't make this stuff up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

Then provide us with a link to where you found the quote you shared with us... it makes a difference, whether the guy who said it is an acknowldged draft "expert", or just some fantasy football geek with his own blog...

I manange to cite MY sources as to his draft prospect (well, actually, my one source at this point)...

It was in this thread.

http://www.dallascowboyscentral.com/...ad.php?t=32736

I believe it was rivals.com.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

And that IS his "fault"... it's also the point I've been making all along...

No it's not his fault. It's the fixation with the big schools. Tech runs an offense that is considered gimmick. He will get unfair perceptions to begin with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

Colston was rated to go right about where he did by those folks... really, it's pretty clear that you've never been to that website (if you had, you'd know that they gave Colston a pretty fair write up), so it's kinda weak for you to try to dismiss them without knowing what they're about, just because you don't like what they had to say about your precious WR...

I know that website and do read it. That doesn't take away the fact that Colston was probably the best rookie receiver in the draft. I guess he should of been chosen in the top 10. I know the website is pretty good but it doesn't mean they get them all right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

And I'm saying that beating the slower, less talented DBs he saw in college is NOT the same thing as beating NFL DBs... he probably hasn't faced more than 6-10 DBs in his entire NFL career who are that good...

I guess that is the same with everyone. What would you say Crayton faced?

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbear

Not when you run a 4.7 40, they don't... there ain't too many SMUs or Southeast Louisianas on your averaage everyday NFL schedule...

If you look back Tech generally faces a tough non-conference schedule. Go look it up. Look me back up when he does his proday as I am sure that time is going to be a bit better.

silverbear · 01-19-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txguy86

"So using that logic, if I get straight A's in junior high school, that means I'm destined to get a Masters degree with honors..."

If your making A's in junior high your expected to make them at higher levels guy

Yeah, because Math is every bit as tough to learn as Calculus is... LOL...

Quote:

Texas Tech is in the BIG 12 Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska. National champions have been produced from these teams. All three have also produced excellent football players in the NFL. Tech faces these teams every yr.

As a lifelong Horns fan, I'm well aware of who plays in the Big 12, pal... and the level of DB play you'll find in that conference, indeed in ANY conference in the NCAA, is less than what you'll find in the NFL...

In the big show, ALL the DBs you'll be facing were the stars of their college secondaries, the best pass defenders their teams had... and the others on the team, well, let's just say they wouldn't make it in the NFL...

The biggest difference between the NFL prospects at DB in NCAA ball and those who will never be ready for prime time is almost always SPEED... you'll run into a lot more semi-slow DBs in the Big 12 than you will in the NFL... and given that Filani's pretty slow his own self, that will be a big problem for him when he attempts to make that jump...

Now, am I saying that no WR with that kind of subpar speed can EVER make it in the NFL?? Of course not, I vividly remember Mike Renfro, who was a slow WR, beating Darrell Green deep once during Darrell's time as the NFL's fastest man... he put a stop and go move on Green that Darrell bit on big time, and was five yards behind him when the pass got to him... so there is some validity to saying a 4.7 guy could play more like a 4.5 guy if he runs especially precise routes...

But what I will say is that the odds are VERY long against a 4.7 40 type WR making it in today's NFL... this is precisely why Joel isn't higher rated than he is right now... and frankly, I'm not eager to spend a draft pick on that kind of a long shot...

Quote:

Now Im not saying draft filani on the first day, but the boy can play, period.

He can definitely play in college, but you simply don't know if he can carry that over to the NFL (of course, I also don't know that he can't, though I feel I have good reason to be skeptical about that)... given the number of Heisman Trophy winners who never amounted to hammered crap in the NFL, it's pretty clear that success in college does not carry with it a guarantee of success in the NFL... conversely, there are a bunch of players who never really did a lot in college who blossomed in the NFL...

I know you and the others who are arguing with me in here are rooting for the boy, most of you because you're Tech fans, and I can respect that, but don't expect me to jump on the Filani train any time soon...

Mind you, he's on my draft board, but rather low on it... Hicks is on that board too, but a bit lower still...