Gut Feeling about Cowboys Draft - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

dalboy · 02-26-2007

Watkins is good for a team that is growing not a team that may have a chance for the superbowl, again might have chance.

Oh_Canada · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

i don't understand even drafting a WR this year..this team is one or two players away from a SUPER BOWL...why would we draft a WR only to be at best #4 on the depth chart behind crayton and not have him even contribute next year?? draft someone who is going to make an immediate impact like a CB, FS or even an OG!!

The reason I think drafting a wideout is important is that both of our starting recievers have injury concerns and most likely will not be Cowboys in '08. Free Safety is not as big an issue in my opinion as Watkins is more than adequate and as long as Henry is back healthy there is no reason to panic there either.

THUMPER · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by Cowboy4ever

I don't think we would go WR in the first, I dont think Jerry will draft someone that high, and pay them and not play them and there is no playing time for a WR at number 1, behind Owens and Glenn. If we stay at 22, I think we go CB. I would like to see us move down and take a Guard with our first pick, then CB , then WR to groom for a year. Those would be my first 3 picks. I don't think we take a FS at all, unless one comes at an extremely good value, such as a projected 1st rounder falling to the 4th or 5th rounds.

Um, didn't we draft Carpenter in the 1st round last season even with Ware and Ellis as the starters? If I recall, Carpenter didn't start a game until late in the season.

I'm not seeing that your argument holds much water.

Also, both of our starting WRs are on the wrong side of 30 and probably won't be here after next season, certainly both won't. WRs usually take time to groom which means that we need to take one BEFORE we absolutely need one. This is the time to do it.

ethiostar · 02-26-2007

i believe they pick a servicable OL in free agency but will also target the OL in the first day of the draft. I doubt they will go after a free saftey in the early rounds if they do at all. It is more likely they will look for a young CB to be groomed behind henry or to take over henry's CB spot in case he moves to FS. I don't believe we'll give up on Watkins so fast and so easily, he still has a lot of potential and he was starting to show up towards the end of the 2006 season. Drafting a CB is something the boys need to do anyways looking ahead, but it also provides flexibility for the 2007 season. If they keep both TO and TG, then the boys can afford to wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to find a WR, this draft is supposed to be very deep at this position from everything i've heard.

there you have it, i believe we will go after CB, OL, and WR on the first day.

theogt · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by THUMPER

Um, didn't we draft Carpenter in the 1st round last season even with Ware and Ellis as the starters? If I recall, Carpenter didn't start a game until late in the season.

I'm not seeing that your argument holds much water.

Also, both of our starting WRs are on the wrong side of 30 and probably won't be here after next season, certainly both won't. WRs usually take time to groom which means that we need to take one BEFORE we absolutely need one. This is the time to do it.

This is assuming we drafted Carpenter to play outside.

tyke1doe · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

i don't understand even drafting a WR this year..this team is one or two players away from a SUPER BOWL...why would we draft a WR only to be at best #4 on the depth chart behind crayton and not have him even contribute next year?? draft someone who is going to make an immediate impact like a CB, FS or even an OG!!

What makes you think a CB, FS or OG would make an immediate impact and not a WR?

Is a corner at #22 going to take Newman's or Henry's place? Is a FS going to take Patrick Watkins' or Reeves' place? If you argue they can be put in the nickel package or on passing downs, why couldn't a WR be rotated into the three-receiver package?

And with a WR, he can also serve as a punt/kickoff specialist. If it's someone like Ginn, then he could have the same impact as Hester, and Hester played like a first-rounder based on the field position he gave the Bears. I don't care if he was "just" a specialist.

I don't see any position on this team where a guy we draft is going to make an immediate impact as in a contributing starter from Day 1. Those guys are too high up in the draft.

Alexander · 02-26-2007

Unless it was orchestrated deception, Jerry Jones did mention that WR was the deepest area on the offense and we wouldn't react unless there was a good value available. This is one of those rare times I believe he is being completely truthful, unfortunately.

I would like to have a 2008 starter out of this draft. We will not or should not count of having both Owens and Glenn on this team beyond this season.

theebs · 02-26-2007

I think our Draft on the first day is going to be about getting Tony Romo and the new offensive staff some tools.

Now that we have a qb, we all hope, it is time to get him some young explosive players.

TheSport78 · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by tyke1doe

What makes you think a CB, FS or OG would make an immediate impact and not a WR?

Is a corner at #22 going to take Newman's or Henry's place? Is a FS going to take Patrick Watkins' or Reeves' place? If you argue they can be put in the nickel package or on passing downs, why couldn't a WR be rotated into the three-receiver package?

And with a WR, he can also serve as a punt/kickoff specialist. If it's someone like Ginn, then he could have the same impact as Hester, and Hester played like a first-rounder based on the field position he gave the Bears. I don't care if he was "just" a specialist.

I don't see any position on this team where a guy we draft is going to make an immediate impact as in a contributing starter from Day 1. Those guys are too high up in the draft.

for drafting a corner at #22, we have to go with the assumption that we would move henry to FS, rookie corners adjust easier to the NFL than a WR due to the "5 yard rule"

the only way we would draft a FS in the 1st round is if one of the top two safeties fall to us (landry or nelson) with nelson being the more realistic possibility

as far as OG is concerned, not having rivera and romo on their backs for half the game would serve as an immediate impact to me, rivera NEEDS to go and someone like blaylock or grubbs would be huge right away (see marcus mcneil)

do you really think JJ and ireland are going to draft another "return specialist" WR when we drafted SKYLER GREEN last year?? especially when we have newman at punt returner (oh yeah we did draft him to be our next deion but the tuna was "too afraid to lose his #1 corner") and hopefully wade will use newman exclusively on punt returns and not put patrick "i get two yards every punt return" crayton...plus arent u excited about what miles austin and sam hurd can do?? IMO WR is the deepest position on our team next to RB

Woods · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by theebs

I think our Draft on the first day is going to be about getting Tony Romo and the new offensive staff some tools.

Now that we have a qb, we all hope, it is time to get him some young explosive players.

The only explosive players I see JJ drafting on offense in the 1st would be the WR position.

I doubt we take a RB and definitely not a TE (esp. with BP gone) in the 1st.

But if you take JJ at his word at the Combine, I think the probability of taking a WR in the 1st is not particularly high. We all know JJ like to throw curves out there, but I also think he was being straightforward in not drafting a WR in the 1st (unless there was big value there).

JJ wants a starter in the 1st round.

Assuming we DO get an OG in FA to replace Rivera, the only places I can see someone starting for us is LB, CB/Safety (depending on what we do with Henry), and maybe as an 34 DE. (But I think it's a low probability we take a DE in Round 1.)

Alexander · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by Woods

The only explosive players I see JJ drafting on offense in the 1st would be the WR position.

I doubt we take a RB and definitely not a TE (esp. with BP gone) in the 1st.

But if you take JJ at his word at the Combine, I think the probability of taking a WR in the 1st is not particularly high. We all know JJ like to throw curves out there, but I also think he was being straightforward in not drafting a WR in the 1st (unless there was big value there).

JJ wants a starter in the 1st round.

Assuming we DO get an OG in FA to replace Rivera, the only places I can see someone starting for us is LB, CB/Safety (depending on what we do with Henry), and maybe as an 34 DE. (But I think it's a low probability we take a DE in Round 1.)

It all depends on what happens in free agency.

If we obtain a starting OL, then all bets are off.

I personally would rather go that route than depend on a rookie guard.

Cowboy4ever · 02-26-2007

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Originally Posted by THUMPER

Um, didn't we draft Carpenter in the 1st round last season even with Ware and Ellis as the starters? If I recall, Carpenter didn't start a game until late in the season.

I'm not seeing that your argument holds much water.

Also, both of our starting WRs are on the wrong side of 30 and probably won't be here after next season, certainly both won't. WRs usually take time to groom which means that we need to take one BEFORE we absolutely need one. This is the time to do it.

We had Ware, but Ellis was a complete unknown at OLB. And I didn't say NOT to draft a WR, just not one in the first 2 rounds. I think we have greater needs in the first 2 rounds instead of a WR to sit on the bench the whole season. This is a quaility Draft for WR, we can get a very good talent in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

ZeroClub · 02-26-2007

My guess is that the first round pick will be a DB or WR.