Aaron ross

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Aaron Ross reminds me of Derrick Johnson. Every UT fan thinks he might be the next big thing for defense in the league, only to fall short.

Yeah, DJ has REALLY fallen short...

He's "only" started 28 of the 29 games he played in, and in the 30th, he was coming back from having missed the two previous games, then he missed the following game... in that time, he's caused 4 fumbles, recovered 3...

I guess you expect players drafted 15th in a draft to be perennial Pro Bowlers... either that, or you just automatically start growling when confronted with anything related to the University of Texas...

All I know is, if we can get a solid starter at pick 22 this year, I'll be happy Bear...

As for Ross, I rather doubt he's gonna be the "next big thing for defense in the league", but I'm confident that he'll be a solid starter for some team for a number of years... but hey, why would the Cowboys NEED a good cornerback, right??

Particularly if he went to the University of Texas... can't EVER have the Cowboys getting players from one of the top college programs in the nation...

It's a wonder how they ever got so good, with all the LOUSY players they have...

Seriously, I wonder if you understand how RIDICULOUS it is for you to dismiss ever player who ever played for the Horns?? I can understand hatin' on the team, if you're an Aggie or a Bear or a Red Raider, etc., but it's kinda stupid if you can't even give them credit for having some really, really good players... I mean, as a Horns fan, naturally I have little use for the University of Oklahoma, but I'm REALLY happy we were able to get Roy from them...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Hook, line & sinker.

Oh, so you were just TROLLING...

I guess taking you seriously was my bad... I reckon all I can is file it away, make a mental note that you're not to be taken seriously...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't. Why do we have to take a corner in the first? If I have to take one, it sure isn't going to be that one.

I see-- you don't know jack about the corners in this draft... which strongly suggests you don't know jack about Ross...

But you wouldn't take him, just because he's a Longhorn...

Gotcha...

Sure am glad you don't have anything to do with the personnel decisions out at Valley Ranch... you make Larry Lacewell look like a towering intellect...

[LowTech]

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[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

No - my choice is based on I don't think he's a first round talent.

This from the guy who, when asked what his preference would be at corner, answered that he really didn't know the draft-eligible corners...

My comment of schools in this thread is because UT fans seem to have a huge knack for overrating the talent on their team.

Hey, I'm a Horns fan, but when I make up my draft spreadsheet I don't allow personal preference to enter into the equation... nope, I make an effort to find out what the consensus among the better draft websites is to determine where a player "ought to" go...

And the consensus on Ross is that he's a late first/ early second round prospect... Justin Blalock is a likely first rounder who MIGHT slip to the second... Michael Griffin is rated about the same (and IMO, is overrated, he shouldn't be that high)... Tarell Brown is considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Kasey Studdard grades out as a 5th or 6th rounder at this point (and is not a player I'd draft), Lyle Sendlein in the same range...

Selvin Young and ex-Horn Ramonce Taylor are late round/free agent types, and the Boys should avoid them, too... Tim Crowder is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect, Brian Robison should go a round later... if you play the 3-4, you'd probably be better off with Robison, Crowder will be better in the 4-3...

Yes, I'm a Horns fan, and my ratings have NOTHING to do with that...

[Royal Laegotti]

Originally Posted by silverbear

This from the guy who, when asked what his preference would be at corner, answered that he really didn't know the draft-eligible corners...



Hey, I'm a Horns fan, but when I make up my draft spreadsheet I don't allow personal preference to enter into the equation... nope, I make an effort to find out what the consensus among the better draft websites is to determine where a player "ought to" go...

And the consensus on Ross is that he's a late first/ early second round prospect... Justin Blalock is a likely first rounder who MIGHT slip to the second... Michael Griffin is rated about the same (and IMO, is overrated, he shouldn't be that high)... Tarell Brown is considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Kasey Studdard grades out as a 5th or 6th rounder at this point (and is not a player I'd draft), Lyle Sendlein in the same range...

[View Full Quote]Selvin Young and ex-Horn Ramonce Taylor are late round/free agent types, and the Boys should avoid them, too... Tim Crowder is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect, Brian Robison should go a round later... if you play the 3-4, you'd probably be better off with Robison, Crowder will be better in the 4-3...

Yes, I'm a Horns fan, and my ratings have NOTHING to do with that...

Well it seems you've jammed up that telitubbie's signal.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Yeah, DJ has REALLY fallen short...

He's "only" started 28 of the 29 games he played in, and in the 30th, he was coming back from having missed the two previous games, then he missed the following game... in that time, he's caused 4 fumbles, recovered 3...

I guess you expect players drafted 15th in a draft to be perennial Pro Bowlers... either that, or you just automatically start growling when confronted with anything related to the University of Texas...

Considering the UT fans who thought he was a better prospect than Ware or Merriman, or the fact that those same fans said that he was going to be a great one, yes, I would say he definitely has fallen short of their expectations.

All I know is, if we can get a solid starter at pick 22 this year, I'll be happy Bear...

As for Ross, I rather doubt he's gonna be the "next big thing for defense in the league", but I'm confident that he'll be a solid starter for some team for a number of years... but hey, why would the Cowboys NEED a good cornerback, right??

Particularly if he went to the University of Texas... can't EVER have the Cowboys getting players from one of the top college programs in the nation...

It's a wonder how they ever got so good, with all the LOUSY players they have...

[View Full Quote]Seriously, I wonder if you understand how RIDICULOUS it is for you to dismiss ever player who ever played for the Horns?? I can understand hatin' on the team, if you're an Aggie or a Bear or a Red Raider, etc., but it's kinda stupid if you can't even give them credit for having some really, really good players... I mean, as a Horns fan, naturally I have little use for the University of Oklahoma, but I'm REALLY happy we were able to get Roy from them...

Show me where I did that. I thought Cedric Benson was better than Ronnie Brown any day and 2 times on sunday. Roy Williams was the most sure fire WR in years. The Horns have had a mess of good interior DL for several drafts.

Show me also where I said that this homerism was exclusive to UT. I don't root for any college program other than TCU on occasion (no I didn't go there) and a few others I like around the country. I watch college football as I see it, usually not rooting for either team. But way to feel like I've picked on the school you like just because I did in this thread.

Ross might be a decent starter, but considering what I've seen of him in college (and I watched more UT games than any other single team last year), I think he is too risky to be taken at 22.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Oh, so you were just TROLLING...

I guess taking you seriously was my bad... I reckon all I can is file it away, make a mental note that you're not to be taken seriously...

No. I compared this prospect to another defensive UT prospect from a few years ago. I compared them in the fact that the homers for the school inflated their ability as it might translate to the NFL.

And then that team's homer came in and tried to defend that LB who has not done what the UT fans said he would. It never fails.

I'm sorry it itches you so much that I pointed out UT fans do this so often. Would you prefer that I point out that there are OU fans who think that Brandon Everage would have played great NFL football, or that there are Aggie fans seriously thought that Reggie McNeil was a first rounder?

Oh I see - it's OK as long as I'm not talking about your team.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by silverbear

I see-- you don't know jack about the corners in this draft... which strongly suggests you don't know jack about Ross...

But you wouldn't take him, just because he's a Longhorn...

Gotcha...

Sure am glad you don't have anything to do with the personnel decisions out at Valley Ranch... you make Larry Lacewell look like a towering intellect...

I see you misunderstood that response. 'I don't' - as in I don't have a suggestion of who we take at CB at that spot, as in I don't see value for a CB there. Ross isn't worth a first, as I've stated numerous times. As for other CBs, they all have their warts, I don't see it as a strong DB draft this year, and would prefer to go lineman. FWIW, I think Leon Hall will go too high.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by LowTech

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[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by silverbear

This from the guy who, when asked what his preference would be at corner, answered that he really didn't know the draft-eligible corners...

That's not what I said. Thanks for misquoting me. Reading > you.

Hey, I'm a Horns fan, but when I make up my draft spreadsheet I don't allow personal preference to enter into the equation... nope, I make an effort to find out what the consensus among the better draft websites is to determine where a player "ought to" go...

And the consensus on Ross is that he's a late first/ early second round prospect... Justin Blalock is a likely first rounder who MIGHT slip to the second... Michael Griffin is rated about the same (and IMO, is overrated, he shouldn't be that high)... Tarell Brown is considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Kasey Studdard grades out as a 5th or 6th rounder at this point (and is not a player I'd draft), Lyle Sendlein in the same range...

[View Full Quote]Selvin Young and ex-Horn Ramonce Taylor are late round/free agent types, and the Boys should avoid them, too... Tim Crowder is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect, Brian Robison should go a round later... if you play the 3-4, you'd probably be better off with Robison, Crowder will be better in the 4-3...

Yes, I'm a Horns fan, and my ratings have NOTHING to do with that...

Good. Then you aren't ridiculous. For what it's worth, I think Blalock will make a good player for the right team.

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

That's not what I said. Thanks for misquoting me. Reading > you.

El Dudarino asked, in response to your intellectual post saying "University of Texas. No Thanks":

aside from the non-factor of school preferences, what other recommendation do you have for corner?

To which you responded:

I don't. Why do we have to take a corner in the first?

Except nobody said anything about the first round, he asked you which corners you liked, period...

Your nonresponse was your tacit admission that you don't much, if anything, about this year's cornerbacks... which makes your feeble dismissal of Ross an expression of your bias, rather than being based on anything substantive...

Clearly, you're attempting to imply that UT = not worth drafting, though you made some effort in this post to dispel that image...

So now, I'll simply ask for your specific criticisms of Aaron Ross, beyond him wearing burnt orange in college... do you HAVE an specific criticisms, or was it just another mindless anti-Horns diatribe??



Good. Then you aren't ridiculous. For what it's worth, I think Blalock will make a good player for the right team.[/quote]

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Considering the UT fans who thought he was a better prospect than Ware or Merriman,

Gee, I don't EVER remember Ware's or Merriman's name coming up during the predraft debates about DJ... perhaps that's because they weren't draft-eligible until the following year...

Beyond that, any comparison between Johnson and those two would be asinine to begin with, given that the former is a pure 4-3 OLB, while the other two are 3-4 "tweeners", whose main responsibility is (or should be) rushing the passer...

Johnson wouldn't be worth a hammered crap doing what Ware and Merriman do, and Ware and Merriman wouldn't get CLOSE to a Pro Bowl if they were called on to play Johnson's role...

No sir, I don't recall anybody comparing DJ to those two...

Show me where I did that. I thought Cedric Benson was better than Ronnie Brown any day and 2 times on sunday. Roy Williams was the most sure fire WR in years. The Horns have had a mess of good interior DL for several drafts.

OK, perhaps I was too quick to judge you, but in my defense, just saying "University of Texas. No Thanks" sure does SOUND like just another mindless Horns hater, doesn't it?? I mean, you offered NO other reasons for not wanting him until challenged, so it's not my fault if YOU created the impression that I called you out for...

But way to feel like I've picked on the school you like just because I did in this thread.

"University of Texas. No Thanks"... yeah, how could I EVER have thought you were "picking on the school I like"...

Ross might be a decent starter, but considering what I've seen of him in college (and I watched more UT games than any other single team last year), I think he is too risky to be taken at 22.

Ahhh, but that's not what you SAID at first, is it?? Nope, that would have been a reasonable argument, indeed one that I'd probably basically agree with...

Nope, to refresh your memory, the ONLY reason you gave when I jumped into this little debate was "University of Texas"... happily, by giving you some grief about it, I was able to drag out of you the REAL reasons for your aversion to going after Ross at pick 22... and lo and behold, it's a reason I don't really have much of a problem with... I wouldn't squawk if the Boys went that way at 22, but if that's who they want, I'd rather see them trade down a bit first...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

No. I compared this prospect to another defensive UT prospect from a few years ago. I compared them in the fact that the homers for the school inflated their ability as it might translate to the NFL.

And you said "hook, line and sinker", which is claiming that you were just throwing out BAIT...

You might be tapdancing just as fast as you can now to distract us from that, but those were your words, and you knew what they meant when you typed them...

And that, son, is trolling...

[DragonCowboy]

Originally Posted by LowTech

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