Michigan DT Alan Branch appears to be slipping

[5mics]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

On the contrary, the DT position is - or at least should be - the top priority of Dallas' draft strategy. That's because we need a nose-tackle. Ferguson is getting way up there in age, and while he is still playing at a high level, he is an injury away from leaving a huge hole in themiddle of the DL. And it's critical that Dallas find a NT in the draft because there are none currently avialble in free agency, and I've read scouting reports that anticipate that no serviceable free agents will even be available after June-1 cuts. Dallas simply MUST address NT in the draft, at this one position where their dpth is thinnest.

AF

I prefer Paul Soliai from Utah. He's raw BUT has a non-stop motor and is, in my view, more athletic than Branch. I d really don't like the reports that he was out of shape when he knows this is a job interview worth millions.....

[Alexander]

I've never understood his ranking all along.

Every year, there is a fat, lazy DT that gets this type of inflated rating.

Last year, it was Gabe Watson who was supposed to be a first round talent.

Branch is better, but hardly top five material as I see many rankings have him.

[Deputy493]

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

While that is somewhat interesting, I don't see that impacting the Dallas Cowboys any at all.

You're not serious are you?

You don't see how a potential 1st round NT could impact a team that runs the 3-4? Especially when all we basically have there right now is an aging Fergy.

Shawne Merriman gets all the press, but make no mistake the main guy that makes that 3-4 in SD work is the massive NT, Jamal Williams.

If Branch falls to us we would have to seriously consider taking him.

[RCowboyFan]

Anyone who has seen Alan Branch and Gabe Watson in School, shouldn't even compare those two when it comes to motor. I didn't see Branch taking Plays off, at least not as apparent as Gabe Watson was.

I think this is one of those posturing by teams, that want him to slide to them etc. Alan Branch in my mind, is top 10 pick and him and Gabe Watson don't even compare in having a Motor department. Gabe Watson was Lazy Slob.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by RCowboyFan

Anyone who has seen Alan Branch and Gabe Watson in School, shouldn't even compare those two when it comes to motor. I didn't see Branch taking Plays off, at least not as apparent as Gabe Watson was.

I think this is one of those posturing by teams, that want him to slide to them etc. Alan Branch in my mind, is top 10 pick and him and Gabe Watson don't even compare in having a Motor department. Gabe Watson was Lazy Slob.

Of course, he's better.

Some were making the natural comparison, and partially because he is from the same school.

But the fact is still there, DL get overvalued far too much.

Branch isn't a top five talent. Not in this or many other drafts.

Each year some DT who is just huge gets that type of overinflated ranking.

I guess Darrell Russell didn't teach anyone anything either. Drafting a big man that high is a dangerous proposition.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

On the contrary, the DT position is - or at least should be - the top priority of Dallas' draft strategy. That's because we need a nose-tackle. Ferguson is getting way up there in age, and while he is still playing at a high level, he is an injury away from leaving a huge hole in themiddle of the DL. And it's critical that Dallas find a NT in the draft because there are none currently avialble in free agency, and I've read scouting reports that anticipate that no serviceable free agents will even be available after June-1 cuts. Dallas simply MUST address NT in the draft, at this one position where their dpth is thinnest.

AF

I still don't see how that impact the Cowboys at all. Both players will be gone way before we are on the clock. Just because player x or players y move up or down a few spots doesn't impact us at all, like I said before.

[Bob Sacamano]

Branch ran a 4.81 short-shuttle

[cnhnyy]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Of course, he's better.

Some were making the natural comparison, and partially because he is from the same school.

But the fact is still there, DL get overvalued far too much.

Branch isn't a top five talent. Not in this or many other drafts.

Each year some DT who is just huge gets that type of overinflated ranking.

I guess Darrell Russell didn't teach anyone anything either. Drafting a big man that high is a dangerous proposition.

Darrell Russell was pretty dominating when he played.

[Goldenrichards83]

Originally Posted by Deputy493

You're not serious are you?

You don't see how a potential 1st round NT could impact a team that runs the 3-4? Especially when all we basically have there right now is an aging Fergy.

Shawne Merriman gets all the press, but make no mistake the main guy that makes that 3-4 in SD work is the massive NT, Jamal Williams.

If Branch falls to us we would have to seriously consider taking him.

I agree 100%. I would even consider a trade up around #15 if he drops that much.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by cnhnyy

Darrell Russell was pretty dominating when he played.

Yes, but only against us.

[followthestar]

...or standing pat for a WR and taking the next best NT prospect, as well as picking up a guy on Day 2. But i agree with those who say NT is one of our priorities - Fergy is doing a great job, and we need a young guy to learn what Fergy can show him. There really aren't any FA who seem to fill that backup spot...

[Alexander]

[FONT=Georgia]KRUMRIE BEATS UP BRANCH[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Word trickling out of the Michigan Pro Day is that Chiefs defensive line coach Tim Krumrie roughed up defensive tackle Alan Branch in one of Krumrie's one-on-one slap fights.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Per a league source, Branch looked winded before he even got to the patented Krumrie spanking machine. At one point during his session with Krumrie, Branch appeared to be ready to quit. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Gil Brandt of NFL.com corroborates this in his Pro Day updates: "Tim Krumrie worked Branch hard during the position drills, and the scouts there said Branch did not look like he was in very good shape."[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Krumrie, better known to most fans as the guy who got Theismanned during Super Bowl XXIII, is a legend in league circles for the no-pads hand-fighting test, to which he subjects many of the linemen he is scouting.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]"It's Gladiator stuff," said one league source.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]For Branch, who is projected by many as a top-ten pick, the end result apparently was thumbs down.[/FONT]

[RCowboyFan]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Yes, but only against us.

Huh?? No, when he wasn't on drugs etc. ala Leon Lett, he was bonafide Pro-bowler. Please again, lets stop with this comparisons to failed players because they can fail. If thats the case, every QB can be Ryan Leaf or Every LB be a another Hyped up Brian Bosworth Or RB from Penn can be Curtis Ennis etc.

ALan Branch can be Good or Bad, that we won't know till he plays few years in NFL, much like any other player in Draft, PERIOD. So lets not act like just because he compares in Physical stature to another failed player, he is destined to fail or there should be caution, as it is being implied.

Based on his College play, Alan Branch is top 10 or at the very least top 15 player. And thats all one can go by. Whether he lives up to that or not, is always a 50-50 proposition.

[CowboyFan74]

Originally Posted by Alexander

[FONT=Georgia]KRUMRIE BEATS UP BRANCH[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Word trickling out of the Michigan Pro Day is that Chiefs defensive line coach Tim Krumrie roughed up defensive tackle Alan Branch in one of Krumrie's one-on-one slap fights.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Per a league source, Branch looked winded before he even got to the patented Krumrie spanking machine. At one point during his session with Krumrie, Branch appeared to be ready to quit. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]Gil Brandt of NFL.com corroborates this in his Pro Day updates: "Tim Krumrie worked Branch hard during the position drills, and the scouts there said Branch did not look like he was in very good shape."[/FONT]
[View Full Quote][FONT=Georgia]Krumrie, better known to most fans as the guy who got Theismanned during Super Bowl XXIII, is a legend in league circles for the no-pads hand-fighting test, to which he subjects many of the linemen he is scouting.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]"It's Gladiator stuff," said one league source.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia]For Branch, who is projected by many as a top-ten pick, the end result apparently was thumbs down.[/FONT]

To much recess

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by RCowboyFan

Huh?? No, when he wasn't on drugs etc. ala Leon Lett, he was bonafide Pro-bowler. Please again, lets stop with this comparisons to failed players because they can fail. If thats the case, every QB can be Ryan Leaf or Every LB be a another Hyped up Brian Bosworth Or RB from Penn can be Curtis Ennis etc.

ALan Branch can be Good or Bad, that we won't know till he plays few years in NFL, much like any other player in Draft, PERIOD. So lets not act like just because he compares in Physical stature to another failed player, he is destined to fail or there should be caution, as it is being implied.

Based on his College play, Alan Branch is top 10 or at the very least top 15 player. And thats all one can go by. Whether he lives up to that or not, is always a 50-50 proposition.

You are attempting to make some point, don't ask me what it is.

My point was quite valid.

In the last twenty plus years, there have been 11 DTs taken in the top five.

2003 - Dwayne Robertson (fourth)
2001 - Gerald Warren (third)
1997 Darrell Russell (first)
1994 Dan Wilkinson (first)
1992 Steve Emtman (first)
1992 Sean Gilbert (third)
1991 Russell Maryland (first)
1990 Cortez Kennedy (third
1986 Tony Casillas (third)
1984 Bill Maas (fifth)
1982 Kenneth Sims (first)

Care to point out how many of these save Kennedy were worth it and how the ratio of busts to successes can justify selecting one in the top five?

If you stick to the numbers, you are better off no spending a pick in the top five. I've seen people giving Branch a third, fourth or fifth slot in this draft.

That's insane. You don't pay that type of price for a run clogger in the top five of this or any draft and expect to get a decent return.