new Kirwan Mock picks

[TDH]

meant to say "couldnt agree more" (about watkins)

And as to Kirwin - he hasnt changed our prediction to reflect the hamlin signing

[smarta5150]

Originally Posted by TDH

I couldnt agree with the things you have said about watkins, and if the BPA is a safety at 22, then i agree...we take him. But i disagree respectfully with your opinion. I think (and most "experts" [realize they are often wrong] agree) that merriweather is a far better coverage prospect than griffin. Merriweather could actually play man CB, i dont think griffin could come close to that.

And to Smarta5150's comment "Its a joke that people thought it was a good idea to replace 1 unproven FS with another BEFORE we signed Hamlin and now its an even bigger joke that some people STILL wanna draft a FS @ 22."

[View Full Quote]- I would say that its ridiculous to say its a joke to replace 1 unproven FS w/ another. REALLY!!! Its a joke to replace 1 unproven 5th Rd FS (who had quite a few games to make a statement if he had wanted to) with a 1st Rd draft pick. That might be the worst logic i have ever seen on this site. ANY DRAFT PICK IS UNPROVEN!!! Why would we want to replace Sam Hurd with Calvin Johnson. I hope Smarta that you can see that it is your logic that is a JOKE!

I'll grant you that after we signed Hamlin (although he still cant cover) FS is less of a need, but if the BPA is available is a FS...then we take him. I would only consider a FS to be the BPA at 22 if it was Nelson.

You realize you just compared Calvin Johnsons ability to that of a FS that may just be available at 22... right.

If they were on the same page then Nelson, Merri, Griffin, etc. would all be considered top 10.

Its not like I said lets pass up Landry if he is there at 22.

We are are talking about late 1st round talent safeties, not 1 of, if not the best WR prospect ever to come out of college football.

[Achozen]

Please draft an offensive player!

[jswalker1981]

I'd be pissed if we passed on Ginn for Griffin. We have Watkins, just signed Hamlin, and Kirwan thinks that another safety is the way to go? Just imagine if Ginn could be our Devin Hester!

[dfense]

The Raiders opting out of a QB? For a position they're relatively deep at? Redskins taking a safety? My mock will be more accurate.

[Wolfpack]

Why would Cleveland and Detroit swap ??

I stopped right there....

[aikemirv]

I like Kirwan. I have found his past articles to be informative and knowledgeable.

I don't agree with the idea that Oakland would not take a QB, or that they might find Josh Mccown to be the answer but when was the last time the Raiders drafted a QB high and we know Davis seems to be fascinated with the WR's who can stretch the field - he has always been.

Cleveland and Detroit could easily swap picks if Detroit either took Jamarcus Russell (cause they need a long term QB) or made it seem like they wanted to and Cleveland came calling because they definately need him. That kind of trade happens because you want to make sure you get your guy and you are afraid that a team or 2 behind you is on the phones working a deal with Detroit too.


Watkins, during practice was exceptional as a ball hawk from what we heard from BP so the idea that his ball skills are not very good does not translate. He just seemed a little lost in actual game play which may be a huge problem or may be a comfort level issue that he will develope in time.

Meachum is the pick for me if he is there at 22. His size, speed, production combination does not come along very often and is worth the risk IMO.

[masomenos]

Originally Posted by TDH

I couldnt agree with the things you have said about watkins, and if the BPA is a safety at 22, then i agree...we take him. But i disagree respectfully with your opinion. I think (and most "experts" [realize they are often wrong] agree) that merriweather is a far better coverage prospect than griffin. Merriweather could actually play man CB, i dont think griffin could come close to that.

Let me try to explain my reasoning. I do have Meriweather rated fairly highly in my rankings right now and I do think that his has a lot of potential. However, I also see that when it comes to range he may not be as effective as he was in college, that's where I think his cover issues come in. I say this because of his very poor times in the 3 cone drill, his awful 10 yard split, and his average 20 and 40 yard times. I realize that instincts will make up for some of these short comings but I think he is a player who just might not be as physically gifted as he looked in college. I know reports will go against this, but to me there is serious concern about his hip fluidity and coupled with a bad "to sideline time" as shown in his 10 and 20 yard splits, there's just a serious red flag for me there. I think it would be different if he had been super productive in college, but he really never was.

As far as Griffin, as I sad earlier he kind of got a bad rap this year because Texas' secondary was ranked so lowly but I really think it was more of him being asked to play closer to the LOS which took him out of range to support in coverage which in turn hurt the CBs. Griffin's raw coverage measurables are really second only to Leon Hall as he's shown very fluid hips and a great 20 yard burst, as well as very good leaping ability.

I understand that a lot of the opinions I have are going to go against the experts, so I don't expect people to agree with me on everything when it comes to player rankings, but that's what I've seen.