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Hostile · 03-31-2007

If the Raiders take him at #1 I think it will be a big mistake. Not because he can't play. Moss is a disruption for them. Take the Packers offer or the Patriots offer or find another offer and get rid of the albatross.

Take Calvin Johnson #1 overall. The guy is hands down the best talent in the Draft and passing on him is stupid. I don't think #2 is even close. Draft a QB in the 2nd round and shore up the OL with the rest of the draft. Sign a vet to give the rookie time to grow into the job.

For me, it has nothing to do with how much potential Russell has. Passing on Calvin Johnson is like taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

LOve how the Russell people on one hand say how great he was against a poor Irish D. They do not mention that Russell had bad games against most top Ds. They downgrade Quinn for the same- despite the fact that Russell had a much better Defense, AND a much better O line. BQ was running for his life this last year against even mediocre Ds.(once again RYAN HARRIS SUCKS) Not to mention trailing in all but 3 games last year. 10 games he had to come from behind and he won 7 of them. WIth a lousy D and a lousy O line.

Teague31 · 03-31-2007

Rusell= Akili Smith

ZeroClub · 03-31-2007

The wrong situation can kill the strongest of prospects (e.g., David Carr in Houston) and the ideal situation can get the most out of lesser prospects (Tony Romo).

Russell is a great prospect. He's got that "man among boys" thing going for him.

If he gets the time to develop that Steve McNair or Tony Romo got, watch out.

**WoodysGirl** · 03-31-2007

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i personally believe all the QB's in this years draft are overrated

Not so much overrated as just not very strong.

When you go by the Top 5 QBs in Gosselin's list, only two of them are considered franchise, with major question marks, and the rest of them are a bunch of maybes.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

How often does a guy like Elway or Aikman come along= or a Peyton Manning?
those are the only QB prospects that you can pick without worrying a whole lot. Outside of players like them, its always a crapshoot. There are none this year; were none last year; or the year before that. Elway was 83; Aikman was 89; Manning was -what- 1999, 2000?

**WoodysGirl** · 03-31-2007

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How often does a guy like Elway or Aikman come along= or a Peyton Manning?
those are the only QB prospects that you can pick without worrying a whole lot. Outside of players like them, its always a crapshoot. There are none this year; were none last year; or the year before that. Elway was 83; Aikman was 89; Manning was -what- 1999, 2000?

What or whose point are you debating? Because it doesn't make sense to me.

theogt · 03-31-2007

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

LOve how the Russell people on one hand say how great he was against a poor Irish D. They do not mention that Russell had bad games against most top Ds. They downgrade Quinn for the same- despite the fact that Russell had a much better Defense, AND a much better O line. BQ was running for his life this last year against even mediocre Ds.(once again RYAN HARRIS SUCKS) Not to mention trailing in all but 3 games last year. 10 games he had to come from behind and he won 7 of them. WIth a lousy D and a lousy O line.

Did you not read my post above at all?

jay cee · 03-31-2007

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we do this every year. we take the 2 top qb's and make them top 5 talent. Sometimes its justified, like last yr, other times its not. I dont think either of these guys will make good NFL qb's. The odds are with me. They are both WAY overated b/c of the position they play.

I could not possibly agree with you more. And to think the Raiders could have had leinart last year with I believe the 7th pick.

Now they are considering using the #1 on Russell or Quinn. Talk about getting diminishing value.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

No OGT, you are the one cherry picking facts. As other posters have pointed out. Show me a great game by Russell against a top D.

theogt · 03-31-2007

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No OGT, you are the one cherry picking facts. As other posters have pointed out. Show me a great game by Russell against a top D.

He played against 5 top 25 pass defenses. In those games he had a (NFL) QB rating of 130. In my book that's pretty good.

Oh, and how is looking only at the games against top ranked pass defenses cherry picking? That's a new one to me.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

Ratings in College football are usually very high. No big there. BUT did not some poster talk about such small things as TDS and INTS? in THOSE games against top 25 Ds? LSU lost a few games these last couple of seasons didn't they? With a top D and supposedly a great QB. Why is that?

theogt · 03-31-2007

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Ratings in College football are usually very high. No big there.

Did you not see that I put his NFL rating up there? His NCAA rating was 267!!!!

Against 5 of the best defenses in the NFL he put up better QB rating than Quinn did on the season, and Quinn only played against 2 defenses in the top 25.

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BUT did not some poster talk about such small things as TDS and INTS? in THOSE games against top 25 Ds?

I believe his TD/INT ratio against top 25 defenses was 12 TDs and 6 INTs. Not bad at all.

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LSU lost a few games these last couple of seasons didn't they? With a top D and supposedly a great QB. Why is that?

So your argument was that because he didn't have a perfect Win/Loss record in college, he isn't any good?

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

What were Russells stats in the games LSU lost? Just curious- since some think that does not matter for Russell but does for Quinn.

theogt · 03-31-2007

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

What were Russells stats in the games LSU lost? Just curious- since some think that does not matter for Russell but does for Quinn.

What's the point? That he had a couple bad games in college, therefore he isn't any good? You think Peyton Manning never had a bad game in college? Your argument has turned into claiming that he isn't that good because he wasn't perfect in every single game.

The bottom line is that he performed better than Quinn overall and against top defenses.

Forgive me for engaging one of the biggest ND homers on earth on this subject.