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[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

and why did Kirwan take that into account?

To determine his shuttle time relative to his 40 time. It certainly doesn't tell you whether a player is quick. Does it?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

To determine his shuttle time relative to his 40 time.

but why? what does that have anything to do w/ anything?

Originally Posted by theogt

It certainly doesn't tell you whether a player is quick. Does it?

it sure does

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

but why? what does that have anything to do w/ anything?

I don't think it really tells you much at all frankly.

it sure does

Oh, it does? What about our hypothetical player, Bob, who had the 5.5 40-time and the 5.4 shuttle time? Is Bob quick, because he has a .1 differential? Or is Bob slow?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

I don't think it really tells you much at all frankly.

so he used it as a GM, and is preaching it? ok

Originally Posted by theogt

Oh, it does? What about our hypothetical player, Bob, who had the 5.5 40-time and the 5.4 shuttle time? Is Bob quick, because he has a .1 differential? Or is Bob slow?

that's a .10 differential theo, so no, I wouldn't be quick, I would be slow in a straight-line, and I would be slow agility wise

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

so he used it as a GM, and is preaching it? ok

He wasn't GM. The highest position he ever attained was director of player personnel. I don't know why holding that position means everything he says is worthwhile.

that's a .10 differential theo, so no, I wouldn't be quick

Let's take another hypothetical player. Let's call that player, Joe. Joe has a 40 time of 5.8. That's pretty slow right? Now Joe also has a shuttle time of 5.1. Again, that's slow, correct?

But Joe has a differential of .7. Joe magically crosses this .5 barrier. Does that make Joe quick? Is Joe fast with his 5.1 shuttle time and 5.8 40 time?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

He wasn't GM. The highest position he ever attained was director of player personnel. I don't know why holding that position means everything he says is worthwhile.

well, whatever, I don't think he would use something as a measuring stick if it was just measuring relativity and nothing else

Originally Posted by theogt

Let's take another hypothetical player. Let's call that player, Joe. Joe has a 40 time of 5.8. That's pretty slow right? Now Joe also has a shuttle time of 5.1. Again, that's slow, correct?

But Joe has a differential of .7. Joe magically crosses this .5 barrier. Does that make Joe quick? Is Joe fast with his 5.1 shuttle time and 5.8 40 time?

Joe is quick, but not fast

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

well, whatever, I don't think he would use something as a measuring stick if it was just measuring relativity and nothing else



Joe is quick, but not fast

Joe is quick, with a 5.1 shuttle? Wow, I guess you'll truly saying anything just to keep from having to admit you're wrong.

[Bob Sacamano]

theogt

Dane Uperesa:

4.58 short-shuttle

Joe Thomas:

4.88 short-shuttle

but what do you know? Upesera's 40 was only a 5.25 compared to Thomas' 4.92, how is that possible that he's quicker?!!!

Thomas' differential is .04, while Upesera's is .67 AMAZING!! maybe Kirwan's formula is telling us something about a player's quickness afterall

[theogt]

Summer, is a player with a 5.8 40 time and a 5.1 shuttle time considered quick?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

Summer, is a player with a 5.8 40 time and a 5.1 shuttle time considered quick?

he's considered more quick than he is fast, it doesn't mean he can outmaneuver a player who runs a 4.9 and and has a 4.8 short-shuttle though

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

he's considered more quick than he is fast

Is he quick?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

Is he quick?

not really

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

not really

But his differential is greater than .5. So does having a high differential tell us whether a player is quick?

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by theogt

But his differential is greater than .5. So does having a high differential tell us whether a player is quick?

if that player's .5 differential is calibrated from a respected 40 and shuttle he is, and I just gave you an example

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

if that player's .5 differential is calibrated from a respected 40 and shuttle he is, and I just gave you an example

Does the differential, by itself, tell us whether a player is quick?