2008 White House "Power Rankings" - Republican Candidates

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Danny White

His extreme pro-abortion position would have to be the tops. I know there are several Republicans with various degrees of pro-choice views, but Rudy is hard-core pro-abortion from all I can tell.

The other views you mention don't thrill me either, but abortion is the line I refuse to cross.

Is it pro-abortion or pro choice? It seems to me in a society where you have freedom, shouldn't you have the right not to have a child if by chance you are preggers?

Since the fetus is not alive in that it cannot live outside the womb, then you aren't killing anything.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Perhaps you should refresh your understanding of the word "choice"...

If you think abortion is morally wrong, you should have the choice not to have one... if you don't think that, if you think that a fetus is not yet a human being and no wrong is done by ridding yourself of it, you should have that choice, too...

How I personally feel on the subject is irrelevant, the government shouldn't be dictating what you can or can't do in this matter... but for the record, how I personally feel on the subject is if some female member of my family wanted to get an abortion, I'd try my level best to talk her out of it... then, if she ultimately decided to ignore my advice, I'd do my best to support her, to help her get through it...

[View Full Quote]And if some welfare queen with five kids she didn't really want in the first place decides she doesn't want to have that sixth rug rat, you bet your life I'll support that decision... to me, it's more morally wrong to bring an unwanted child into the world, to grow up in misery...

"Pro-choice" is not "pro-abortion", it means you favor letting each individual consult with their conscience, and do what they think is right... I shouldn't have any say in that, nor should my government...

In my practice I do some government child apprehension work. This one woman has three children already in continuing government care, is likely to have her other two also end up in the same boat and is now knocked up with a sixth child by a sixth different guy. She is only 27 or 28 so she has another 10-15 breeding years left. I wish we could force her to have a tubal but we can't, nor can we force her to abort but I wish we could. She and her offspring are huge drain on the public coffers. A publicly funded abortion would be far cheaper than the legal fees for me to act for the government to take her kid, the government paying for her lawyer to fight me taking the child, let alone foster care costs, social worker costs etc

[Danny White]

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

Is it pro-abortion or pro choice? It seems to me in a society where you have freedom, shouldn't you have the right not to have a child if by chance you are preggers?

Since the fetus is not alive in that it cannot live outside the womb, then you aren't killing anything.

Did you even bother reading the thread before posting?

[CowboyJeff]

Originally Posted by Danny White

I'm 90% sure Keyes is running.

I know his right-hand woman and she pretty much told me so yesterday.

It's really mystifying to me why he thinks he needs to be in this race. I guess he just craves the attention.

I like Keyes, personally. He's one of the few who understands the war on jihad. It's a shame he waited too long to enter, while all the other candidates have their feet under them in each state.

[CowboyJeff]

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

In my practice I do some government child apprehension work. This one woman has three children already in continuing government care, is likely to have her other two also end up in the same boat and is now knocked up with a sixth child by a sixth different guy. She is only 27 or 28 so she has another 10-15 breeding years left. I wish we could force her to have a tubal but we can't, nor can we force her to abort but I wish we could. She and her offspring are huge drain on the public coffers. A publicly funded abortion would be far cheaper than the legal fees for me to act for the government to take her kid, the government paying for her lawyer to fight me taking the child, let alone foster care costs, social worker costs etc

Seems to me if the "morning after pill" and all other contraceptives are readily available to everyone, this debate just about goes away....

[CowboyJeff]

Originally Posted by Danny White

Many many social conservatives feel the way I do, and no amount of Rudy-waffling will sway them on the issue. He has no credibility on social issues, and that's not about to change during the course of this election.

If those issues are your top concern, I don't see how you vote for Rudy. He's just as bad, if not worse than, Hillary on many of those core issues.

However... I know a lot of conservatives who will vote for him because:

1) they hate Hillary so much and the social issues aren't their primary concern.

2) the war is their #1 issue, and they're convinced Rudy will be the toughest on terror/Islam and that he'll be the most effective when it comes to pushing the military effort.

So the fact that the conservative bloc is not of a single mind on this, plus the fact that Rudy appeals to moderate swing voters, may be enough to offset the defection of social conservatives.

[View Full Quote]It'll be interesting to see.

I'm a big Rudy supporter, but even I have to acknowledge that Tancredo is the best candidate on this one particular issue.

[CowboyJeff]

Originally Posted by Danny White

Excellent! I'm glad you raised this.

OK, now how about a 21 week old fetus? There are a few of those who have survived.

And since 24 weeks is generally considered medically viable... is it too much to ask a woman in her 20th week to wait another month or rather than terminating that child's life?

The dangerous thing about drawing the line here is that a 20 week old is well on his/her way to becoming a fully-viable life.

If Hillary Clinton's mother were contemplating ending her pregnancy of Hillary, would you encourage her to wait another week or so?

[Danny White]

Originally Posted by CowboyJeff

If Hillary Clinton's mother were contemplating ending her pregnancy of Hillary, would you encourage her to wait another week or so?

I support a very very late term abortion for Hillary!


Just kidding, Secret Service!

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by CowboyJeff

Seems to me if the "morning after pill" and all other contraceptives are readily available to everyone, this debate just about goes away....

True, but of course some anti-choice types are also against that pill as it is "killing a baby".

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by Danny White

I support a very very late term abortion for Hillary!

So, there ARE some instances in which you'd support abortion...

[CowboyJeff]

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

True, but of course some anti-choice types are also against that pill as it is "killing a baby".

The pill is designed to prevent an egg from being fertilized. Killing a fetus and fertilizing an egg are completely different. Those who are against the morning after pill because it prevents an egg from being fertilized must also be up in arms about women who go into menopause, women who do not get pregnant after intercourse, etc. I can totally sympathize with someone who is against killing a fetus, but being against a pill that prevents the fertilization of an egg is absurd.

[ConcordCowboy]

Originally Posted by Danny White

I support a very very late term abortion for Hillary!


Just kidding, Secret Service!

We have your IP address...Expect a visit soon.

[mr.jameswoods]

This qestion is for DannyWhite and other southern conservatives but would you vote for Romney despite the fact he is Mormon? I could be wrong but many evangelicals and southern baptists do not endorse the Mormon faith as a part of Christianity. Would you have issues voting for Romney over guys like Fred Thompson? It seems to me that Fred Thompson would be your ideal candidate. He isn't liberal like Giuliani and isn't an Iraq advocate like McCain?

[CowboyJeff]

Originally Posted by mr.jameswoods

This qestion is for DannyWhite and other southern conservatives but would you vote for Romney despite the fact he is Mormon? I could be wrong but many evangelicals and southern baptists do not endorse the Mormon faith as a part of Christianity. Would you have issues voting for Romney over guys like Fred Thompson? It seems to me that Fred Thompson would be your ideal candidate. He isn't liberal like Giuliani and isn't an Iraq advocate like McCain?

I think any conservative who has the choice of Hillary or Obama versus Romney will slit their wrists before they voted for any democrat.

[mr.jameswoods]

I'm a supporter of the old Republican party under Ronald Reagan. I personally can't stand what this new Republican party stands for. The Christian Conservative/Evangelical movement has ruined the party in my opinion. I personally find many of the views expressed by evangelicals to be fascist. I'm a Christian. I'm against abortion. However, I live in the United States of America not the United States of Christianity. A woman should have the right to choose. To impose laws universally banning abortion particularly before 20 weeks is imposing your religion on others and that's against what this country stands for. The concept of when life begins is a religiously debated topic so there will never be any way to provide empirical proof to define when it begins; it's based on one's faith. So if one person believes it starts at conception and another doesn't, we are supposed to side with the person that believes it starts at conception? The woman/mother has the right to choose based on her personal faith. Even with gay marriage, how does it affect you that homosexuals can get married? If they want to live in SF and get married, let them do their thing. Even if I don't agree with their views, it's a free country and they have a right to get married if that pleases them. But to impose your belief and say they can't get married is an example of the fascism I'm referring to. This is old school fascism disguised by a smile and a Bible.

I truly haven't found a party I like. I'm against big government and I favor privitization associated with the Republican party. However, I am absolutely against the fascist and tryranical ideas proposed by the Christian conservative movement. I would vote for Rudy G. if given the chance or Obama but I certainly would never vote for Romney or Hillary.

It's sad in my opinion that all Christians are now associated with these evangelicals/conservatives. I wish we had another party.