Tony Snow this morning

[BrAinPaiNt]

Tony Snow was just doing a segment on Fox and Friends this morning.

They were talking to him about the president's speech and so on.

I know this guy is stepping down soon but he should go ahead and step down today.

He needs to get his treatment and get better.

He is really looking bad.

Honestly if it were not for the voice I would have sworn it was someone else.

Feel bad for him and hope he gets better.

[ologan]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Tony Snow was just doing a segment on Fox and Friends this morning.

They were talking to him about the president's speech and so on.

I know this guy is stepping down soon but he should go ahead and step down today.

He needs to get his treatment and get better.

He is really looking bad.

Honestly if it were not for the voice I would have sworn it was someone else.

Feel bad for him and hope he gets better.

Today is supposed to be his last "official" day,but I believe Tony actually relinquished his duties this past Wednesday. Hope he gets better,too.

[burmafrd]

That damn cancer has him- I think its just a matter of time. He is going to try and make some money quickly before he goes.

[ConcordCowboy]

Spending possibly your last days defending Bush is not how I'd want to spend them.

[burmafrd]

the man is a staunch conservative. Look at how many Libs were defending Clinton during the Lewinski mess. Also, he is someone who knows what loyalty is and believes in it.

[ConcordCowboy]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

the man is a staunch conservative. Look at how many Libs were defending Clinton during the Lewinski mess. Also, he is someone who knows what loyalty is and believes in it.

Not saying there's anything wrong with loyalty...in this case I just think it's misplaced.

It's just not how I would spend my last days.

If he wants to doesn't matter to me.

[Sasquatch]

Originally Posted by ConcordCowboy

Not saying there's anything wrong with loyalty...in this case I just think it's misplaced.

Loyalty to liars whose reckless policies have done irreparable harm to our nation is not a virtue.

[ologan]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Loyalty to liars whose reckless policies have done irreparable harm to our nation is not a virtue.

Leave Clinton out of this!

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Loyalty to liars whose reckless policies have done irreparable harm to our nation is not a virtue.

so what's the lie? the lies?

if WMD, being wrong isn't a lie so that's off the list. now if you can take a moment to back up the things you say, what are all these lies you speak of?

[burmafrd]

10 hrs and Sasqie has no reply yet?

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

10 hrs and Sasqie has no reply yet?

he doesn't talk to me anymore. he says something stupid and i won't quit reminding him until he admits it. since he never admits it he just ignores me cause he has no answer for things like this said in hate, not understanding.

i get the view. i even understand it. but i think there are more productive ways to help the country "do it right" than whine and moan how much we suck.

[burmafrd]

Yeah I have noticed that trying to actually respond logically and to debate things is not something many here have an interest in. I think only one of the Libs tried to actually debate any of my Food for thought threads- all the others only wanted to trash the author or say that there is nothing to debate.

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by iceberg

so what's the lie? the lies?

if WMD, being wrong isn't a lie so that's off the list.

That's if you believe they were honestly mistaken... I think the evidence suggests they knew good and well they were selling us a load of manure...

Evidence, as in the Downing Street Memos... evidence, as in the way they set out to destroy Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame when they DARED to try to bring us the truth...

now if you can take a moment to back up the things you say, what are all these lies you speak of?

How 'bout promising us the most open White House ever, then conducting virtually all of their business (staring with their "Energy Summit) behind closed doors?? And now, they're invoking executive privilege on a near-daily basis, to avoid having to give information to Congress... how 'bout promising to be a "uniter, nor a divider", then setting out to make this country more polarized than it has been at any time since the end of the Vietnam War??

How 'bout claiming that they will not be involved in "regime change", then offering regime change up as one of their major reasons why we should invade Iraq??

That'll do for a start...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Yeah I have noticed that trying to actually respond logically and to debate things is not something many here have an interest in. I think only one of the Libs tried to actually debate any of my Food for thought threads- all the others only wanted to trash the author or say that there is nothing to debate.

There WAS nothing worthy of debate in those threads... example-- one of them was dedicated to arguing why we shouldn't ban the ownership of guns in America...

Who exactly is arguing we SHOULD ban all gun ownership, other than a few whack jobs way out on the lunatic fringe??

And of course, even in this post, you talk about "responding logically and debating things", then arrogantly dismiss those who would disagree with you as nothing more than "Libs"... yeah, that REALLY fosters an atmosphere in which intelligent debate can flourish...

You are not now, and never have been, about rational debate... you're all about pushing your ultra-right wing agenda, even now that it has become highly discredited by most in this country... you bring us the thoughts of nutcases who are trying to create their own utopian society (Ejectia), as if they are worthy of rational debate... well, you go with that whack job and form your own little Jonestown, and we'll ship you a 55 gallon drum of grape kool-aid...

It's right that you got held up to ridicule for posting that tripe, and it's right that no THINKING man chose to debate that moron... all the two of you deserved was to be mocked; if you make a regular habit of reading such ridiculous philsophizing, and accepting it, then you're not to be taken seriously...

And of course, your choosing to put me on Ignore is a concrete demonstration that you're not into serious debate at all... you run and hide from those you can't handle in debate...

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by silverbear

That's if you believe they were honestly mistaken... I think the evidence suggests they knew good and well they were selling us a load of manure...

Evidence, as in the Downing Street Memos... evidence, as in the way they set out to destroy Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame when they DARED to try to bring us the truth...

the trouble is "what you believe". most will belive what they want to and to what suites their already set mind. you can evidence a memo, i can evidence both sides saying saddam had WMD and had to go.

you know, like:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."[FONT=Arial]
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source[/FONT]
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"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

and bush isn't even president yet. this "lie" he gets credited for predates his own presidency. can you at least see how that could possibly mean he wasn't lying but *maybe* just wrong? are all these people liars also?

i'm sure some people did say otherwise. there's always more than 1 side to a story and in retrospect, 1 side in essence, right. but being wrong isn't the same as being a liar.

if bush misrepresented the facts, what did these people above do? why are they given a free pass and bush held accountable?

the only answer i see is that bush did something about it vs. talk and say something must be done. too many people talk cause people wanna "hear" but do something that can force change, people divide.

How 'bout promising us the most open White House ever, then conducting virtually all of their business (staring with their "Energy Summit) behind closed doors?? And now, they're invoking executive privilege on a near-daily basis, to avoid having to give information to Congress... how 'bout promising to be a "uniter, nor a divider", then setting out to make this country more polarized than it has been at any time since the end of the Vietnam War??

How 'bout claiming that they will not be involved in "regime change", then offering regime change up as one of their major reasons why we should invade Iraq??

That'll do for a start...

how about doing that for *all* politicians. making them operate in front of mr john q public.

i give you bush was supposed to bring people together, but i don't think people "want" to be together right now. we wanna whine and moan how bad the other side is.

wmd is why we invaded iraq and if wrong, fine. 1) that's not a lie and 2) don't sell me "regime change" now cause you're low on bullets.

bush is not the anti anymore than clinton was.

and if you wanted a united front, then unite at home and let that take note. but never wait for someone else to do what you feel needs to be done. do it and work for the changes you feel are right. that's leadership in spite of those who'd rather talk and do nothing cause the more you try to do the more responsible you are asked to be.

like in our day jobs. you can float on and just do what you're told, or you can stand up and take on more cause you believe in it. but as soon as you do someone will disagree and you had "dissention" on your hands.

only cause you stepped up to lead.

comes with the terratory i suppose but i hope one day "we the sheeple" get smarter and rely less on others and more on ourselves.