Originally Posted by xwalker
Overrated - Ben Jones
OC (2nd/3rd) I just dont get it. He gets pushed back in the pocket, gets beat off the snap, is often on the ground and looks un-athletic in open space.
Underrated - Philip Blake
OC (4th) Ok, he will 26 to start the season, but why is he rated as a 4th rounder. He is bigger and quicker than Ben Jones both in game footage and at the combine. His bench reps were a little on the low side but he does have slightly longer arms than Jones.
Slightly Overrated - Peter Konz
OC (1st) He is a good player, but is not overly strong or quick.
Overrated - Dre Kirkpatrick
CB (Top 20) - Borderline athlete at CB.
Overrated - Leonard Johnson
CB (3rd/4th/5th) Slow 5-9ish CB. Barry Church had better agility numbers.
[View Full Quote]Underrated - Bruce Irvin OLB (2nd/3rd) - Physically, he is almost a clone of Von Miller. Von Miller was the #2 overall pick in 2011 but Irvin is projected to possibly go in the 3rd round?
Overrated - Dontari Poe DL (Top 10) - Do any of the analysts watch the games?
Underrated - Akiem Hicks DL (5th) - Ok, the level of competition is very low, but he looked like a huge athletic beast in games. He looked good in the Shrine game and in pass-rush drills.
Overrated - Michael Brockers DL (Top 20) Really? I dont see the athleticism expected of a top 20 pick either in games or at the combine.
Overrated - Courtney Upshaw OLB/DE (Top 25) Marginal athlete, short with short arms for the position.
Slightly Overrated - Melvin Ingram OLB (Top 10) Good athlete that had some exceptional games but is short with short arms.
Underrated - Levy Adcock OT (7th) I thought he looked OK at LT and good at RT.
Underrated - Ryan Broyles WR (6th) Ok, he is injured and is not a burner; however, he finished his collegiate career as the NCAA career receptions leader with 349 catches and No. 2 on the NCAA career receiving yards chart with 4,586 yards.
Underrated - Chris Rainey WR (6th) Ok, some sites have him rated higher. He has terrific speed and agility to be a slot-WR and punt returner.
Underrated - Miles Burris ILB (6th to UDFA) Plays like his hair is on fire. Has good speed/quickness and strength. (6-2, 240, Forty=4.67*, 3-cone=6.85*, bench=31, vert=37.5)
Underrated - Chris Greenwood (UDFA) Very small school but big time athlete (6-1, 193, forty=4.37*. vert=43, bj=11-2)
Good topic and I agree with many of the players you picked.
I think on Blake he is not going to improve much physically like the younger guys will. You can teach him technique. They also ran a almost exclusively spread at Baylor. I think where he is rated is pretty fair bottom of 3rd to 4th round pick.
I think Rainey is pretty much just a returner in a Ted Ginn type role with possibly a gadget play or 2 from normal offense, but I think he is underrated as a returner for both punts and kicks.
Irvin is the one that has me most confused. It almost has to be a major character or intelligence red flag because by the tape and the measurables. He has tremendous value even if it is just in your nickel and dime packages. He would be a perfect Cowboy because his strengths line up exactly with Spencer's perceived weaknesses.
I understand why Poe and Brockers are going to be picked high. You could be getting a player that should go 3 or 4 in this draft by talent. Teams don't think they can replicate the innate skill sets with other prospects. It is alot like Ware/ JPP or Tyson Jackson, Vernon Gholson. Sometimes those workout and sometimes they don't. I think the new CBA will have teams reaching and cutting after 3 or 4 years without much penalty. I would not expect much instant impact from either player.
I don't expect Ingram in the top 10 because I think he is 3-4 only so he will go to KC, Arizona or Dallas. He could possibly play the LEO in Seattle's hybrid 4-3. He would get swallowed up in a traditional 4-3.
I could not agree with you more on Upshaw. He is too big and slow to play in a 3-4 but I don't think he is an elite edge rusher. He looks like Jamall Anderson the Falcons bust from 4-5 years ago.