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Originally Posted by Idgit
It's not just talk. You're seeing it in the results and in the play on the field, and in the way the team has changed under Garrett. It just hasn't translated into additional victories yet.
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Right. Only around here does 8-8 and 8-8 = improvement.
Ever hear the term 'enabler'?
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And, I'll agree, if the sole measurement of the success of the rebuilding project is victories, then by that measure JG has not succeeded. Are you willing to admit that successful rebuilding projects exist where teams really do have to work for a couple seasons before breaking through? Because we both know I can find countless examples where this is the case.
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Yes, the sole measure of success in the NFL is victories. All else is hollow speculation amounting to nothing.
And this has never been a 'rebuilding project'. Unless maybe that's the latest excuse for Garrett?
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The measure of a successful team should be how well the team performs relative to it's ability, not the team's end-of-the-season record. It's not reasonable to expect our coaches to do more, with less, than other teams' coaches can do. Last year, we had less because we had significant holes in the roster. This season, we ended up with less because of a host of key injuries. But the effort was there, and it showed up--clearly--in the way the team played the 4th quarter of games and how they got better as the season wore on.
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Save the 'injury excuse', it simply carries no weight. And I find 'effort' to be a loser's mantra as well. Did you win? No? Then you lost.
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As to the talent, the QB and the start pass rusher and all pro TE are getting older. At the same time, you're seeing young players like Dez and Murray and Harris and Lee and Carter step up to play at blue chip or near blue chip levels. So it goes in the NFL. The important thing is whether or not you think this current group is capable of adding talent faster then they lose it. Signs look hopeful in that regard in my book. What makes you think they can't?
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And you tell me where the more valuable players are. QB or RB? OLB or ILB? I know what my answers are.
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I think most of you are just disappointed and are still venting. Our window's wide open as long as we continue to draft well and do good work in veteran FA.
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And I think most of you are fans who will accept anything you get in the name of that fandom. To the point of trying to defend mediocrity with no tangible results to do so.