[McLovin]

[quote]maybe it is myself and those around me but sitting on one's laurels are just not in the DNA we strive for perfection in all we do...don't you..I wouldn't sit down and say well I did this I am going to stop trying now...I think that is selling people short...where is the pride of a job well done and feeling of acomplishment what of a goal on leaving the earth better than you found it than no one's job is finished to stop trying.[quote]

I definitely strive for perfection, and money is not the primary motivator. I like proving to myself that I have accomplished something daily and expanded my skills. There are way too many people who do not. Entering the workplace 16 years ago, this really shocked me. Now these people rarely got promoted, but were content with their 3%/yr raise. I dont think I am selling people short, its first hand experience and is a similar story in everywhere I have been. Most people are averse to change.

as far as paying for someone telephone bill that is not what I am talking about...lets say that the absolute minimum a person to have a decent standard of living is $1500 dollars a month (purely speculative upon might part) those who are not meeting that standard are provided assistance up to that amount...that means they still have to be prudent and not live outside their means but it doesn't leave them in a poverty situation.

IF everybody is entitled to that money just by being born than any extra money they earn is taxable but they are able to keep what is left to save for luxury items or however they wish to spend it. you than remove poverty and though you may not have removed classes from society you might have at least removed the poor.

I think lifetime entitlement helps condition people to a situation. there has to be some incentive to work. To some degree, you can never remove all poverty because there are dreggs of society that make horrendous choices (drugs, etc) that will always migrate downward. People do not make rational choices.

People that are poor have a greater tendency to also be poor in backbone and drive and lack self esteem... if you can elimanate that you have more people that will be able to contribute to the common good.

There are many poor who have drive and do better their situation. Conditioning plays a big part. That's why you see so many lottery winners lose everything and return to their class with in 3 years

as far as those you believe would skate than they are not in a job where their passion comes into play...people are passionate about different things and that is where inevitably their love and times goes..if we made it where I have to work for this company because the pay but rather I could work in oceanography and don't have to worry about the bills... you get people who are passionate about their jobs and there are no skaters.... but so long as the $ comes into play you remove passion and replace it with greed.

If you could work at anything you would like and didn't have to look out for the money would you be doing what you are doing or would you be doing something else with joy and passion.

[View Full Quote]I might write or I might do art or I might grow stuff in a garden I might take care of the elderly or got to the dog pound at take some dogs out for a walk...I would do something and I would do it with vim and vigor. Others like my lady likes to work in a drug store she enjoys it. You will find that almost all roles will get filled but by passionate and dedicated people.

frankly, most people are never going to be in jobs that is their true passion. The reason comes down to responsibility. First just becasue you have passion for somethin, doesn;t mean you have the talent or skill set. A 5' white guy is not going to the NBA. There can only be so many rock stars, etc.

Life moves on and people grow up and want to start a family. once you have a family, people have to sacrifice for the greater good of the family. Sometimes you are forced to continue on a career that you hate because you have to pay child support, healthcare, alimony, etc where the consequences of taking a huge pay cut results in jail.

And no, I would not be doing what I am doing now, but I got married to the wrong person and had a kid. Now I am responsible for child support and responsibilities - legally and morally. I can't start my own business and go a year with less income as my ex is not that forgiving, nor is Tenn state law. I dont hold a grudge, I still put all I have in my job and have done well


All of what you say sounds good, but in reality people make life choices. If those choices are bad, that impacts your future and your options. What I see is a growing trend of people making those bad choices and expecting to not have to be accountable for those. When people make bad choices, I don't think they are entitled to get bailed out by society.

resources are scarce (be it intellectual, commodity, etc.). That scarcity assigns value. Some people are always going to be more successful than others. Heart surgeons are more scarce than artists and do provide greater utility to society and especially to an individual in need. If you had a child that needed heart surgery and you had to gicve up your art and immediately work at McDonanlds to get insurance, you would. You would sell everything you had to make sure she survived.

Profit is derived from value demand. If people placed no value on somethign, there would be less profit. While you may not believe it, free market is the best way to be sure people are getting the best deal. Competition drives innovation. When everyone is entitled the same service, the level/quailty has to diminish. It will continue to diminish until there is an opportunity for someone to provide better quality at the same price through innovation or efficiency.

but so long as the $ comes into play you remove passion and replace it with greed.

I completely disagree with statement wholeheartedly. Those who succeed are driven more internally than externally. Just because I am not a musician as my day job, does not diminish one iota the effort I put into my day job. Because I am successful is not from Greed.