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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

So now your argument is so weak that you turned to the grammar card.

Pretty hard not to point out the irony when I'm being told to get an education from someone whose spelling/grammar resembles a 9 year-old's.

The whole argument is who is the greatest ever. EVER includes all relevant data.

That doesn't mean you can't take a look at what someone is CURRENTLY doing and opine that he's doing it better than anyone else ever has.

If a 90 year-old man sinks 20,000 free throws in a row, you could easily make the case that he's the best free throw shooter of all-time. You don't have to consider how well he shot them when he was in his 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. before making that claim.

Your data is on half a season that isn't over and a career that we have no clue about.

The regular season is 2/3 done and there's no good reason to believe his numbers will decline sharply over the last ~27 games of the season. Get real.

I already said I'm not comparing CAREERS. The 90 year-old man may have sucked as a FT shooter until he turned 85. That doesn't mean he can never be called the greatest.

Magic said that when Jordan came in he told him to watch out. People already were talking about how special he was. So YES, they did think he was the best they had seen.

Oh, sort of like how people are constantly talking about how special LeBron is nowadays, huh?

People "talking about how special he was" does NOT equal "they thought he was the best they had seen". Nice try. They've been talking about how special LeBron is since he was 16.

You dismiss the opinions that say LeBron's the GOAT because your claim is that TODAY the strong majority would call MJ the GOAT. Which is true.

So find proof from 1991 that suggested that the MAJORITY of people thought MJ was the GOAT back then.

I'm not buying it. He only had 1 ring and was nowhere close to having the legacy of guys like Kareem, Bird, or Magic.

A few may have called him that, but not the majority. Just like a few are already saying that about LeBron, but not the majority.

These same people still aren't saying that about LeBron.

What same people? The ones you cherry-picked for your argument?

I've already shown you opinions from extremely credible sources who have called LeBron the best of all-time. But they don't count, right?

Steals and blocks and turnovers are just as important as assists. They save points and take possessions away from the other team.

You're missing the point.

If I go for steals all game long, I may come up with 5. Great number for a single game.

And if I leave my feet all game to go for blocks, I may swat 5 shots. Great number.

But those stats don't tell you how many times I left my D vulnerable and surrendered easy buckets because I was going for the sexy play.

There are MUCH better measures of defensive ability than steals/blocks, which essentially tell you nothing by themselves. Opposing FG% and +/-, for example.

Either way, none of this takes into account the main crux of the situation. They're both All-NBA defenders, but LeBron can guard FOUR positions at that level... Mike couldn't.

Blame it on size/strength. Or the rules. Or anything else you want. Doesn't matter.

That's part of the LeBron package and that level of versatility is a HUGE advantage he owns over Mike, whether you like it or not.

You also made everyone's point about how many points LeBron gets in the paint...a majority.

More weak excuse-making.

I already posted a link breaking down LeBron's jumper. It's developed into one of the very best jumpers in the game today and he scores a ton of points outside the paint in a variety of ways.

Debating is only fun with a worthy foe and you're like a 6 year old who just learned to draw laughing faces.

Hey, the uneducated old man learned something after all!