Whoda thunk: Ellis thriving, Randy Moss not - Dallas Cowboys Forum

GimmeTheBall! · 11-07-2006

News flash from the front line of sports, men.

Never have been sold on Greg Ellis as a true blue chipper.
Never been sold as a player good enough to be picked ahead of Moss.

Moss. Mr. All Pro 1998, 99, 200, 2002, 2003. Angry man child with football receiving talent. Misunderstood. Introvert, blah-blah-blah. Mr. All World Receiver. Mr. Soon to Be Greatest Receiver of all time.

But now Moss is a mere shadow of what he once was. Through seven games this year he has 26 receptions. He's on track to compile only half of the receptions he made in 2003 in Minnisoda. Clearly a player on the decline or at least in bad-team hell.

Ellis on the other hand, is thriving. Always the underachiever vis a vis what the Cowboys originally thought he was going to do, he underwent a severe case of pouting when Parcells switched him from DE and reincarnated him as an LB hybrid. So what happens? Right now Ellis, through 8 games, has around 4 sacks and is on pace to break his single-year sack record.

Moss has been great in the first six years and is now an almost average player. Ellis has been consistently good and now is going into high gear.

Moss has acted the fool every chance he gets. Admitting he takes off on some plays. Lackluster effort at times. Not following through on routes. Off-field childish behavior. Problems with da chronic.

Ellis, on the other hand, has been a workhorse. A solid citizen. Seldom complaining. Only complaining when he could not play all the time.

You know, listeners, perhaps at the time Moss was the best pick in the first round in 1998 ahead of Greg Ellis.

But now in 2006, Lacewell and or Jerra seem to have picked the best player in the long run. And without the sleazy, self-centered attitude of Moss.

Aikbach · 11-07-2006

I thought that as soon as 1999 rolled about and for three short games Dallas had a great WR tandem until Irvin went down and Rocket was on his own. Thank goodness Andre Wadsworth and Grant Wistrom were already off the board, Ellis was the best DE in the draft that year.

Aikbach · 11-07-2006

Oh and I can pretty much guarantee you that Moss would of wanted out of Dallas too, he wouldn't likely be a Cowboy now, those character issues were correctly taken into account, he didn't bring the Super Bowl to Minnesota so Dallas really didn't miss anything but some stat pads for Aikman's final years.

GimmeTheBall! · 11-07-2006

You have superior inksights, Aik.
I'm gonna keep my eye on you.

Rampage · 11-07-2006

we shoulda drafted moss

Dale · 11-07-2006

Ellis has sustained his same level of consistent play longer than Moss sustained his level of excellence. I agree that Moss might not still be here had we drafted him.

With that said, a part of me will always wonder what "coulda been" had Moss and Irvin been lined up together.

smarta5150 · 11-07-2006

In an earlier post Moss was discussed. I said in that post that we cant judge Moss on what he is doing right now too fairly. That Raider team is just pathetic. They are making what Bledso went thorugh look not so bad... and we know how bad we felt with the line and QB situation. To judge Moss on a team like the Raiders, which is a complete graveyard, just isnt right. I undersatnd you have to look at stats and how he is currently doing and he has to deal with the team around him... but honestly, we know he is a better player than the numbers he is putting up now. And if you dont admit this then you are just a stubborn Dallas fan who has a bad taste in your mouth from the several games he dismantled our secondary. I have a bad taste still but I wont take away from him his natural raw talent. The guy is the best when his head is on straight and had a half way decent team around him.

**Idgit** · 11-07-2006

Moss is just a very different player on grass, and on a bad team.

I doubt he's really lost much. He'll end up some place like St Louis, with Tory Holt and Scott Linehan and revive his career nicely.

CrazyCowboy · 11-07-2006

Ellis did not thrieve on Sunday.....look at the Portis TD run!

Future · 11-08-2006

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Originally Posted by CrazyCowboy

Ellis did not thrieve on Sunday.....look at the Portis TD run!

Yep, the theory of Ellis thriving right now is really WAY OFF. The guy is playing poorly IMO.

dwight · 11-07-2006

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Originally Posted by GimmeTheBall!

But now Moss is a mere shadow of what he once was. Through seven games this year he has 26 receptions. He's on track to compile only half of the receptions he made in 2003 in Minnisoda. Clearly a player on the decline or at least in bad-team hell.

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I feel that Moss is not a mere shadow of what he once was. He is playing with terrible offensive players, such as O-linemen and a quarterback. There is no running either, I might add.

Put him on another team with a decent to good quarterback and competent coaches and you will see something different.

Kilyin · 11-08-2006

Robert Gallery makes Torrin Tucker look like a Pro Bowl Tackle. Andrew Walter is a human pinata. It's actually kind of sad watching the Raiders. They're just that bad. I'm sure Moss will be looking for a way out this offseason.

Aikbach · 11-08-2006

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Originally Posted by Kilyin

Robert Gallery makes Torrin Tucker look like a Pro Bowl Tackle. Andrew Walter is a human pinata. It's actually kind of sad watching the Raiders. They're just that bad. I'm sure Moss will be looking for a way out this offseason.

Last night made me feel embarassed, i hate being embarassed by other people but they embarassed me. "Honey are you watchinng the Raiders?" "What!? God no....it's Baywatch, I'm watching Baywatch dear." I was afraid to admit it.