ted ginn, jr. - Dallas Cowboys Forum

JPostSam · 12-09-2006

i know, there's plenty of season left. but the bcs championship is coming up, and i've been watching highlights of this kid ted ginn, jr. OMG, his acceleration is unreal!!!

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?
as a punt returner, kick returner and wr prospect, he's pretty special, no?

Aikbach · 12-09-2006

Are you suggesting Dallas will have a shot and drafting this manchild? Not if the team gets where it needs to be this season which would mean picking last in every round.

Rack Bauer · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by JPostSam

i know, there's plenty of season left. but the bcs championship is coming up, and i've been watching highlights of this kid ted ginn, jr. OMG, his acceleration is unreal!!!

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?
as a punt returner, kick returner and wr prospect, he's pretty special, no?

I like him as a 3rd/4th WR and return man, but I'm not sure he'll ever become a true/complete #1 WR.

Aikbach · 12-09-2006

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I like him as a 3rd/4th WR and return man, but I'm not sure he'll ever become a true/complete #1 WR.

Dallas already has third and fourth wideouts, they need to begin grooming an eventual number one to step in for the aging Terrell Owens who should live out his contract and retire in two years.

Fan Since 77 · 12-09-2006

Don't even know why you would think about him. He doesn't fill a need for us and he won't even be there when we draft. We need to take a runningback, safety, linebacker, offensive line. In that order.

Rack Bauer · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by Aikbach

Dallas already has third and fourth wideouts, they need to begin grooming an eventual number one to step in for the aging Terrell Owens who should live out his contract and retire in two years.

I agree. We may already have our future WR's on the team anyway. But if Calvin Johnson were available when we draft (he won't be) I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Aikbach · 12-09-2006

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I agree. We may already have our future WR's on the team anyway. But if Calvin Johnson were available when we draft (he won't be) I'd take him in a heartbeat.

I would love for Sam Hurd and Miles Austin to be the next Drew Pearson like walk on but having lightning strike so generously to Cowboy UDFA's is improbable.

If this happens it will completely undermine the meaning of the draft forever more.

RW31 · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by JPostSam

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?

thats a pretty dumb question dont you think? i dont care how fast he is, you dont draft athletes with your no.1 pick. somebody will pick him up around ~17-23. thats my guess

Natedawg44 · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by Rack

I like him as a 3rd/4th WR and return man, but I'm not sure he'll ever become a true/complete #1 WR.

I agree I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzalez ended up being a better WR, but to think Hurd or Miles will be anything more than a #3 at best is remote.

McCordsville Cowboy · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by JPostSam

i know, there's plenty of season left. but the bcs championship is coming up, and i've been watching highlights of this kid ted ginn, jr. OMG, his acceleration is unreal!!!

do you guys think he'd be worth our number 1 pick this spring, or what?
as a punt returner, kick returner and wr prospect, he's pretty special, no?

He is a top 10 pick just based on his speed alone.. If that bum Troy Williamson went so high based on a good forty, Ginn will do that as well and have film to prove game speed and production.

Top 5 pick more than likely

Kevlee06 · 12-09-2006

I'd wait a year and draft DeShean Jackson. lol!

Seriously though. If Ginn Jr. dropped to the end of the 1st round, yes take him. Owens and Glenn aren't going to last forever and I don't think Crayton, Miles, or Hurd have #1 WR potential (Ginn does). And for a bonus he is a hell of a punt returner.

Dayton Cowboy · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by Natedawg44

I agree I wouldn't be surprised if Gonzalez ended up being a better WR, but to think Hurd or Miles will be anything more than a #3 at best is remote.

I agree Nate. I'd rather have Gonzo than Ginn.. Don't get me wrong I love to watch Ginn. But with Ginn you are counting on an upside that may or may not develop. The NFL has been full of speed guys that didn't pan out. Gonzo is a great route runner, not to mention he has by the reports of butch reynolds (olympic sprinter), who is OSU's speed coach, he says that Gonzo is probably almost neck and neck with Ginn in a foot race. I would really like him as a 3rd rounder or second day pick if he's on the board still.

sago1 · 12-09-2006

Barring injuries and a resultant total collapse by the Cowboys, there's no way Ginn will be available when we draft. Also don't forget Parcells doesn't like to draft WRs in the first round. Besides we've already got 2 WR prospects who I'd like a chance to see more of--particularly Miles Austin whose 6-3, 215, 22 yoa & runs a 4.57. That doesn't make him the fatest player in the world so I don't see him as Terry Glenn's successor but Austin has very good hands but need improve his route running and work ethic. But I could easy see him as another TO, but w/o the issues. Hopefully Cowboys play well the rest of the season and maybe even have a chance to take a look at some of our younger players before the season ends. I know it's unlikely we will get so lucky that one of our younger WRs could become a #1 WR but we've certainly been lucky of late--see Romo & Gramatica. So who knows.

BTW: Parcells wanted put McQuistan, Hurd & Austin on our PS so they could be developed. Our scouts who check these things out for us came back and said all 3 players had attracted enough attention that they certain we'd lose all 3 of these players if we attempted get them thru waivers. Parcells must have agreed cause he stated in a PC that he was getting phone calls from other teams re certain players. In fact he elected cut Pettiti to keep McQuistan. Since Crayton (a 7th round pick) has worked out so well for us, I'll give Parcells benefit of the doubt with both Hurd & Austin.

ghst187 · 12-09-2006

Calvin Johnson will most likely be the first WR off the board and probably go top 5, if not top 2/3.
Dwayne Jarrett will be the 2nd WR off the board and will likely go top 10 or 12.
For us to get either one, it would take a massive trade up.

Ted Ginn will probably go 10-20 range depending on combine. Good combine and scouts think he can really contribute at WR, he may go 7-12.
Doesn't matter if we lost our next 4 and missed the playoffs, we won't be within 8 picks of any of those guys without a big trade up.
But YES I would draft Ted Ginn is somehow he dropped to us in the first. YES I would trade up for Calvin. He is a true #1 WR stud. I don't think we will do that though.

Adrian Peterson will probably go top 8. M. Lynch though is a guy who could possibly drop with a slower than expected 40 time or something. Running backs seem to fall in the draft. I guess people think they are pretty easy to find or something. The other guy that could fall... RB Bush of Louisville. I could see Bush being on the board when we draft in the first. Bush would give us a BIG power back, then TT as the speed RB, with MBIII being the balanced one.
If we end up going deep into the playoffs and we decide not to trade up for someone like CJ, DJ, M Lynch, or AP, I think I'd prefer to see us trade down into the second and go after LB Spencer of Purdue (who'd become our "other" speedrusher) and CB Aaron Ross of Texas (who could eventually become a starter at CB (A Glenn is OLD) and could contribute immediately at PR).
As far as the OL goes, I'm really not sure we will do much, esp if we re-sign Gurode and Colombo (which we will). Rivera and Flo are the candidates most likely to go but their contract status almost dictate that we keep them for at least one more year. Meanwhile, we have Proctor and McQ to back them up. Sounds like the coaches think they are the future at LT and RG too. We actually would have pretty good youth and depth along the OL. Also, we have Whitley coming back from injury and he can provide depth at C or G. I don't think we're in that bad of shape on the OL. Could it be better? SURE! I wish we could run block better. But I'm not sure the OL will get much attention this offseason like we all think it will....other than a late round draft pick if someone falls that the coaches like. I don't get the impression that the coaches see our OL is as big a problem as we do and I think they like our young guys. If this is indeed the case, we have a LOT of flexibility with our draft picks.
Other than OL....
Passrusher, have to find someone who can get to the QB to play opposite Ware, Ellis ain't it.
our WRs are OLD and no one on our roster other than TO and TG look like #1's or #2's.
We have an RB that hasn't been as productive as expected...JJ
Kicker, but JJ has sworn not to spend big money or draft pick on another K so don't expect Josh Brown or Mason Crosby
PR, don't be surprised to see us stop trying to draft one late and go try to sign a vet to do it
Backup QB, will be a vet, bank on it. Matt Baker may be getting groomed

ghst187 · 12-09-2006

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Originally Posted by Kevlee06

I'd wait a year and draft DeShean Jackson. lol!

Seriously though. If Ginn Jr. dropped to the end of the 1st round, yes take him. Owens and Glenn aren't going to last forever and I don't think Crayton, Miles, or Hurd have #1 WR potential (Ginn does). And for a bonus he is a hell of a punt returner.

Totally disagree on the first, that Ginn has #1 potential
totally agree on the second, hell of a PR