DeMarcus Taylor (Cowboys 1st rd if decided to trade down)

[The Realist]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

Yeah for a defensive tackle. You show me one just as good or better as a pass-rusher....

Kareem Brown Miami had 8-9 sacks this year. You don't want me to post his career numbers.

Jay Alford Penn State had 8 this year and 8.5 last year. You don't want me to post his career numbers.

Want me to keep going, or do you just want to admit you have no clue what you are talking about and move on?

Or perhaps you enjoy getting clowned.

[Future]

Originally Posted by The Realist

Arrested for swinging at a cop/public intoxication.

Suspended for spitting at official.

Compares to Tank Johnson on and off the field.

Give me some of that in the first round.

been there...should i go in the first round?

[RealCowboyfan]

Originally Posted by The Realist

Kareem Brown Miami had 8-9 sacks this year. You don't want me to post his career numbers.

Jay Alford Penn State had 8 this year and 8.5 last year. You don't want me to post his career numbers.

Want me to keep going, or do you just want to admit you have no clue what you are talking about and move on?

Or perhaps you enjoy getting clowned.

How big is these guys that you are talking about, are they nose tackle big or defensive tackle big?

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

Doesn't matter I think this kid is going to be good

And I don't care if he's the second coming of Bob Lilly, he's a PUNK, and a threat to get himself suspended...

Hey, I know, let's sign him AND Albert Haynesworth...

and I think if we trade down to aquire more picks he should be our first round.

I think you're bound to be disappointed, if only because Jerry doesn't want to bring in players who are at such high risk of embarrassing their team with their off-field behavior...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

GOOD POINT.

Yall look at players that made many mistakes. Mistakes makes us human. Neither person including myself has the right to judge these guys or is anybetter than these guys.

I just like Talent that's all.

I'll judge anybody who's given us such a lengthy list of antisocial behavior at such an early age...

Randy Moss was and is a punk, Maurice Clarett was and is a punk, Tank Tyler was and is a punk... and punks just can't help acting like punks from time to time... so yeah, let's throw millions of dollars at him, then watch him get himself suspended for a full season the next time he gets the urge to take a swing at a cop...

To be honest, I'm completely astounded that you're willing to turn a blind eye to such a pattern of antisocial if not criminal behavior, all because the guy might be able to play a little football... don't you think there are some good players in this draft who haven't acted like thugs??

Here's betting if he came knocking on your door to take your sister out, or your daughter, you'd have a somewhat different attitude toward that punk...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

According to sportingnews he does.

Ahhh, so you're not basing your opinion of him on anything you've actually seen for yourself, you're letting a joke of a magazine tell you what to think...

Never mind that it has already been proven that he provides next to NOTHING in the way of a pass rush... 5.5 sacks in 48 games SUCKS... particularly when you factor in that he only had 6 quarterback PRESSURES... that's less than 2 sacks for every 16 games played... it also means that he either sacked the quarterback, or got pressure on him, ONCE IN EVERY FOUR GAMES...

Still think the Sporting News knows what they're talking about when they say he's a good pass rusher, or do you feel a bit foolish for taking their word for it, without checking a bit more closely for yourself?? I do hope you're not a subscriber to that RAG (which was, 15-20 years ago, a great sports magazine, but is not any more)...

Perhaps if you'd done just a bit more homework, you might have come across a few websites who disagree with the Sporting News... here's what they had to say on the subject at Football's Future:

Tyler isn’t much of a playmaker. He will stop the run, and can get penetration, but he is not going to get to the quarterback very often.

Meanwhile, NFLDraftCountdown says:

Tends to get out of shape and stamina has been a problem...Does not have very good timed speed and lacks a burst to close...Needs to play with more consistent leverage and keep his pad level down...Needs to use his hands better...Only an average pass rusher...Work ethic, intelligence and intangibles are questionable.

NFL.com suggests that the few sacks and pressures he had mostly came when the QB took a 3 step drop, which of course makes it easier to get to the passer if somebody doesn't come open immediately... they go on to say:

If you are looking for a movement-oriented defensive tackle, Tyler is not your man. However, if you want someone to tie up multiple blockers, that is where he excels.

He's a plugger, a clogger, and nothing more... now, that's a nose tackle's main job, so that's not entirely an indictment of him (I'm MUCH more concerned about him being a punk), but the quotes I've provided above clearly show that your claim that he's a good pass rusher is pure GARBAGE...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

Yeah for a defensive tackle. You show me one just as good or better as a pass-rusher....

Warren Sapp had 10 sacks in 16 games last year... Tyler had 5.5 in 48 games, at a much lower level of competition...

Cory Redding had 8 sacks in 16 games last year...

Corey Williams had 7 sacks in 16 games last year...

Vonnie Holliday had 7 sacks in 16 games last year...

Cullen Jenkins had 6.5 sacks in 14 games last year...

Rod Coleman had 6 sacks in 15 games last year...

Darwin Walker had 6 sacks in 16 games last year...

There's 7 defensive tackles who had more sacks in 16 games or less, in the NFL, than Tyler had in the equivalent of THREE 16 game NFL seasons, at the NCAA level...

If I tried to list all the defensive tackles in the NFL who averaged more sacks per game than Tank did in college, the list would probably run 30-40 names long...

But my bad, you said just name ONE defensive tackle who was a better pass rusher... ROTFLMAO...

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

How big is these guys that you are talking about, are they nose tackle big or defensive tackle big?

Chuckle... YOU were the one who asked which DEFENSIVE TACKLES were better pass rushers... when you get a laundry list of players who fit that bill, you then try to change the parameters of your argument...

Well, no matter how you slice it, RCF, 5.5 sacks and 6 pressures in 48 games is next to NO pass rush... particularly when in 2005, he was surrounded by two defensive linemen who were both first round draft picks (one of whom was the number one pick in the draft), and who WERE good pass rushers-- John McCargo and Mario Williams... with the attention those guys got from opposing blockers. it's a safe bet that Tank wasn't getting any double coverage, but he still didn't put up any kind of pass rush numbers...

McCargo had more quarterback pressures in his senior season alone (when he missed half the games due to injury) than Tank did in his entire career... and he barely got on the field as a rookie in the NFL...

Give it up, it has CLEARLY been proven that Tank Tyler doesn't offer a team much of anything in the way of a pass rush... he can tie up two blockers, clog up the middle, and that's about the extent of what he brings to the table...

Which would be OK in a NT-- if he wasn't also a PUNK...

[RealCowboyfan]

Silver bear you must be really bored. Atleast I kept my post right to the point and out and just responding. You got pages going....

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

Silver bear you must be really bored. Atleast I kept my post right to the point and out and just responding. You got pages going....

At least my posts aren't utter nonsense...

[dwmyers]

Originally Posted by RealCowboyfan

Doesn't matter I think this kid is going to be good and I think if we trade down to aquire more picks he should be our first round.

Unfortunately it does matter. The skinny on Tyler is that scouts don't agree on how good he is. If he were a consensus first rounder then maybe you take a flyer at him in the first. But I've seen him bounced from first to fourth round in value and he has those dreaded character issues. The War Room values him the highest and ignores the character flaws. It's the most optimistic assessment of Tyler anywhere (this, from the bunch who valued Kris Jenkins as a 7th rounder, and who currently place Brady Quinn in the middle second round).

So I'd say this: my program has drafted him from time to time but these days I just usually block him. I tag him as 'character' and set any Dallas draft of a DT to !character and just avoid touching him.

David.

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by dwmyers

Unfortunately it does matter. The skinny on Tyler is that scouts don't agree on how good he is. If he were a consensus first rounder then maybe you take a flyer at him in the first. But I've seen him bounced from first to fourth round in value and he has those dreaded character issues. The War Room values him the highest and ignores the character flaws. It's the most optimistic assessment of Tyler anywhere (this, from the bunch who valued Kris Jenkins as a 7th rounder, and who currently place Brady Quinn in the middle second round).

So I'd say this: my program has drafted him from time to time but these days I just usually block him. I tag him as 'character' and set any Dallas draft of a DT to !character and just avoid touching him.

David.

There are enough good players in any draft without character issues that the Boys don't NEED to be bringing in problem children...

[RealCowboyfan]

I believe either DeMarcus Tyler or Ian Scott would be in place to take Jason "Fergi" spot.

[dallasfan]

Originally Posted by silverbear

Warren Sapp had 10 sacks in 16 games last year... Tyler had 5.5 in 48 games, at a much lower level of competition...

Cory Redding had 8 sacks in 16 games last year...

Corey Williams had 7 sacks in 16 games last year...

Vonnie Holliday had 7 sacks in 16 games last year...

Cullen Jenkins had 6.5 sacks in 14 games last year...

Rod Coleman had 6 sacks in 15 games last year...

Darwin Walker had 6 sacks in 16 games last year...

There's 7 defensive tackles who had more sacks in 16 games or less, in the NFL, than Tyler had in the equivalent of THREE 16 game NFL seasons, at the NCAA level...

If I tried to list all the defensive tackles in the NFL who averaged more sacks per game than Tank did in college, the list would probably run 30-40 names long...

But my bad, you said just name ONE defensive tackle who was a better pass rusher... ROTFLMAO...

I'm not defending DeMarcus Tyler as a pass rusher, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of college DTs who played 48 games who registered less than 10 sacks, who became good NFL players. Sometimes players just don't physically mature untill their senior season.