Hypothetical Draft Situation w/ Peterson

[COWBOYSNUM1]

Originally Posted by Q_the_man

I'm not a GM and nor would I ever be, But I would trade this year and next year 1st and JJ for peterson and a 3rd next year. we would still have 3 1st day picks just not a 1st

I'm glad that you are not the GM. The only person in this draft worth that much is C. Johnson. Why would you give up this much for a RB with health concerns? You could probably give up as little as a 4th to move up and get M. Lynch.

[jimmy40]

Originally Posted by COWBOYSNUM1

I'm glad that you are not the GM. The only person in this draft worth that much is C. Johnson. Why would you give up this much for a RB with health concerns? You could probably give up as little as a 4th to move up and get M. Lynch.

What health concerns?

[McCordsville Cowboy]

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[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by Jake0

It's pretty clear that absolutely no one wants to butcher our future to trade up for him at #3, but every year someone drops and Peterson could very well be the guy due to his health concerns. IMO if he slips past the top 3, the next batch of guys have absolutely no need to bring in Peterson while having MUCH more glaring needs mostly on the defensive side of the ball. So say the top 4 goes Russell - Quinn - Thomas - Johnson. Somewhat of a longshot since Jamal Lewis doesn't seem like a longterm solution for Cleveland at all but just say that happens. Also, Johnson is so good that he could be a wildcard of some sort and go #1 or 2, making Cleveland take Russell or something along those lines as well.

Anyway, Arizona/Washington pass on him for sure, now say Minnesota does not want to gamble on him and stick with Chester.

[View Full Quote]Houston is up next, pretty sure they don't pass and now just because of Peterson's drop off, ~800 draft board points are saved (#3 is about 2200 and #8 is about 1400). Here's the question... is it worth it now to trade up? The difference we'd have to make up by swapping #1s is 1400 - 780 = 620 points approximately just going by an older board here. Our 2nd rounder would be worth ~360 points so that means 620 - 360 = 260 points left to make up. Giving up Julius or something along those lines and maybe throwing in some of our second day picks that we have an abundance of could make this work?

8 is kind of 50/50 to me, but if he magically drops to 10 then I say do it for sure. We have almost all of the intangibles now we need a gamebreaker. The fact that he got injured in college is the only reason we'd even have a shot AT ALL at him so to me that is a good thing. Barber playing on 3rd downs cuts down on injury risk and no worries of a rookie messing up blitz pickups on the major passing down.

I only go after him if he slips out of the top 10, otherwise pass. I just dont see Peterson sitting on the board at pick11

[dwmyers]

Originally Posted by Jake0

It's pretty clear that absolutely no one wants to butcher our future to trade up for him at #3, but every year someone drops and Peterson could very well be the guy due to his health concerns. IMO if he slips past the top 3, the next batch of guys have absolutely no need to bring in Peterson while having MUCH more glaring needs mostly on the defensive side of the ball. So say the top 4 goes Russell - Quinn - Thomas - Johnson. Somewhat of a longshot since Jamal Lewis doesn't seem like a longterm solution for Cleveland at all but just say that happens. Also, Johnson is so good that he could be a wildcard of some sort and go #1 or 2, making Cleveland take Russell or something along those lines as well.

Anyway, Arizona/Washington pass on him for sure, now say Minnesota does not want to gamble on him and stick with Chester.

[View Full Quote]Houston is up next, pretty sure they don't pass and now just because of Peterson's drop off, ~800 draft board points are saved (#3 is about 2200 and #8 is about 1400). Here's the question... is it worth it now to trade up? The difference we'd have to make up by swapping #1s is 1400 - 780 = 620 points approximately just going by an older board here. Our 2nd rounder would be worth ~360 points so that means 620 - 360 = 260 points left to make up. Giving up Julius or something along those lines and maybe throwing in some of our second day picks that we have an abundance of could make this work?

8 is kind of 50/50 to me, but if he magically drops to 10 then I say do it for sure. We have almost all of the intangibles now we need a gamebreaker. The fact that he got injured in college is the only reason we'd even have a shot AT ALL at him so to me that is a good thing. Barber playing on 3rd downs cuts down on injury risk and no worries of a rookie messing up blitz pickups on the major passing down.

I see him often dropping to 8 in my mocks, once to 10th and another time to 15th. I don't see him ever dropping to 15th again, because the Bills created a hole when they traded McGahee.

I don't think Peterson is worth a 1st, 2nd, and Julius myself. If I were to move up in this draft into the 6-10 range, it'd be for an elite defensive lineman, and I wouldn't give up a veteran to do it. If by some miracle I were to get into the top 3, I'd be praying Oakland and Detroit wouldn't draft Calvin Johnson.

David.

[Jake0]

Originally Posted by dwmyers

I see him often dropping to 8 in my mocks, once to 10th and another time to 15th. I don't see him ever dropping to 15th again, because the Bills created a hole when they traded McGahee.

I don't think Peterson is worth a 1st, 2nd, and Julius myself. If I were to move up in this draft into the 6-10 range, it'd be for an elite defensive lineman, and I wouldn't give up a veteran to do it. If by some miracle I were to get into the top 3, I'd be praying Oakland and Detroit wouldn't draft Calvin Johnson.

David.

Wow, someone finally gives a constructive reply. Well now I think this thread could be getting somewhere actually after seeing that rumor with Detroit/Cleveland. Pretty much no reason for Cleveland to want to trade up if it's just going to take Peterson. Cleveland could be impressed with Quinn and take him, which means Peterson drops. Since Crenell is close with Weiss he could get tons of inside info. I don't see how someone could put their life on Cleveland taking Peterson, although I did get a good laugh out of it.

All I made the thread for was to see if people would want to take action if Peterson dropped down to the 8-10 range and instead the replies were riddled with nothing but Peterson is going at #3 trash.

To me, our 1st, 2nd, Julius, and a couple of 2nd day picks to move up to the 8-10 spot or whatever to get Peterson is a deal I'd easily do. If it costs more I probably wouldn't be for it. I've always been a Julius fan, and he's pretty good, but Peterson is better. I do kind of want to see what Julius would do behind our new line and under a new coach but if the opportunity is there, I think we're in a good position to do this kinda deal.

p.s. is it just me or does it seem like the majority of posters here just read the topic, click the link and go straight to the reply button without even bothering to read 2 paragraphs?

[dboyz]

AP is a special player. I don't think I'd make a move even if he fell to 8, unless Houston was a pretty motivated seller. Now if he dropped to 10-11-12, I'd consider swapping firsts, plus JJ and a 3rd this year or maybe a second next year, at the very most.

With our line, I think a back like AP could be terrific. However, our combo of JJ and Barber is nothing sneeze at, so I wouldn't be wanting to give up the farm as it's not exactly as if we are bare at the position now.

You should draft the same way you should buy a car or a house. Don't fall in love with a particular model. Let the draft come to you. If AP drops I'd be interested, the same if Calvin Johnson dropped (of course won't happen) Gaines Adams or a number of other players.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by Jake0

To me, our 1st, 2nd, Julius, and a couple of 2nd day picks to move up to the 8-10 spot or whatever to get Peterson is a deal I'd easily do.

Nothing personal, but I am very glad you are not our GM. One starting player and 4 draft picks to move up 18 spots or so is far to much.

[jobberone]

We have a potential SB contender. We are not in need of a RB IMO. This is a deep draft. If we keep still we will get a starting FS, CB, or another starter.

Peterson is a good pick IMO for someone in the 8-20 range who needs a RB.

And you're right. This draft has so much depth there will be several teams wanting to trade down.

[AsthmaField]

AP is a very good back. I might start thinking of going and getting him if he slid out of the top 10. However, I don't think that'll ever happen. If it does, then I'll be the first one to start thinking of going and getting him.

Won't happen though, IMO.

Just like Emmitt meant a whole lot to our team, a back like AP could be a guy like that. Someone who takes the team from competitive to dominant. He might not though, but he has that kind of talent if he stays healthy.

We moved up from #21 (I think) to number 17 to get Emmitt. I doubt anyone thought we gave up too much for that trade, regardless of what we traded.

[DallasEast]

Originally Posted by jobberone

We have a potential SB contender. We are not in need of a RB IMO.

That's my personal viewpoint also. Indianapolis just won a Super Bowl with Joseph Addai in the back field. One could argue that:

Addai > Julius Jones

Addai > Marion Barber

... but few could, imo, argue that Addai is greater than the combination of Jones and Barber, two young running backs. That's what we have right now. The strengths of this upcoming draft can be mined in areas other than running back. Or, at least, not in the upper top half of the first round.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by DallasEast

That's my personal viewpoint also. Indianapolis just won a Super Bowl with Joseph Addai in the back field. One could argue that:

Addai > Julius Jones

Addai > Marion Barber

... but few could, imo, argue that Addai is greater than the combination of Jones and Barber, two young running backs. That's what we have right now. The strengths of this upcoming draft can be mined in areas other than running back. Or, at least, not in the upper top half of the first round.

But they didn't win with just Addai in the backfield. In fact, Addai ran the ball less than Rhodes in the SB.

During the season, Addai went 226-1081 (4.8 YPC). Rhodes went 187-641 (3.4 YPC). Addai had 40 receptions and Rhodes 36. During the post-season, Rhodes went 62-306 and Addai 76-294.

What does this tell us? Unless you have a superstar RB, and there are only a couple it in the league....

Two running backs good.

One running back to handle the entire load bad.

[DallasEast]

Originally Posted by abersonc

But they didn't win with just Addai in the backfield. In fact, Addai ran the ball less than Rhodes in the SB.

During the season, Addai went 226-1081 (4.8 YPC). Rhodes went 187-641 (3.4 YPC). Addai had 40 receptions and Rhodes 36. During the post-season, Rhodes went 62-306 and Addai 76-294.

What does this tell us? Unless you have a superstar RB, and there are only a couple it in the league....

Two running backs good.

One running back to handle the entire load bad.

Good points. We don't have a superstar running back (unless it's buried deep within Jones/I know, but I can still hope). We do have two good, not great, but good backs. And we still haven't tapped their full potential yet.

[Chuck 54]

Originally Posted by Jake0

Wow, you people are so freakin stubborn. I just brought it up because hey.. every year someone you don't expect drops, and to me Peterson is a candidate for that. Hence the topic of hypothetical, I don't expect him to by any means.

If you don't want to participate and give your opinion on whether something should be done if Peterson suffers a dropoff on draft day for whatever reason, then simply don't reply and let this thread dwindle off into the 20th page. That is all.

If Peterson dropped all the way to 20 or so, I might consider giving up a day 2 pick to move up and get him, but I have no interest in dealing any of our day 1 picks for him...zero.

It's probably just my hatred for everything Oklahoma, but I don't think he's going to be a superstar in the NFL.

[Chuck 54]

Originally Posted by Q_the_man

I'm not a GM and nor would I ever be, But I would trade this year and next year 1st and JJ for peterson and a 3rd next year. we would still have 3 1st day picks just not a 1st

That's crazy, imo...no way I'd give up two 1's for the guy.