DMN: Archer: The mystique of the 40-yard dash

[jackrussell]

Originally Posted by Thehoofbite

Haha....those people are selling something. What would you expect them to say? That their stuff doesn't work? I bet you have a kitchen full of magic bullets and other Ronco products just hoping it will make you a world class chef.

Helloooo.did you miss this part of the article CB posted?

The training


In the last 15 years, players' preparation has changed. Combine testing has become a cottage industry. One of the first questions players ask prospective agents concerns preparation for the combine.

The agents generally pick up the tab, and if a player is not chosen in the draft or picked later, the agent ends up losing money.

Some players remain at their colleges. At Ohio State, they work with three-time Olympian Butch Reynolds. Most go to performance centers across the country to prepare for the combine, from the vertical leap to the 225-pound bench press to the interview process. NFL teams are becoming so turned off at the preparedness of the players that they look at the combine more for the medical records than anything else.

[View Full Quote]Disney's Wide World of Sports hosts Tom Shaw's Performance Enhancement. Chip Smith and Robby Stewart run Competitive Edge Sports in Duluth, Ga. Athletes Performance Institute has facilities in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Tempe, Ariz. MakePlays.com Center for Human Performance is in Phoenix.

In a testimonial on the CES Web site, Chicago linebacker Brian Urlacher said his 40-time was lowered from 4.69 to 4.49 in three months of work with Smith, helping make him a first-round pick.

Hey I'll be sure to inform any of these guys they've been wasting their time. I see you're taking on water...going down with the ship...resorting to inane responses.

Originally Posted by Rack

No, it isn't. It's helping someone reach their potential, not teaching them to do something they couldn't do before.

It's teaching someone to reach their potential...and potential is just that..something you haven't done.

But let's say I take your guys limited point of view....

No one can teach anyone how to jump higher.
No one can teach anyone how to jump farther.
No one can teach anyone how to run longer.
No one can teach anyone how to lift heavier.
And of course...no one can teach anyone how to run faster.

Tomorrow I shall approach the track coaches..and inform them that their kids have topped out their abilities..and there is nothing they can teach them...because 2 guys on the internet said so.

[5Stars]

Originally Posted by jackrussell

Tomorrow I shall approach the track coaches..and inform them that their kids have topped out their abilities..and there is nothing they can teach them...because 2 guys on the internet said so.

[Rack Bauer]

Obviously jackrussell doesn't understand the difference between TEACHING and improving.


Of course you can get someone to IMPROVE their speed, but you can't turn a 5.2 into a 4.2. IMO that would be TEACHING speed, which just isn't done.

[jackrussell]

Originally Posted by Rack

Obviously jackrussell doesn't understand the difference between TEACHING and improving.

Keep dancing around the fact my point has been 'teaching to improve their speed,' to 'become faster'. And I do understand the professionals that state this to be a fact...against those that haven't a clue. And I do understand those athletes going to these 'speed' centers to 'learn to improve their speed,' to learn to become faster.

Originally Posted by rack

Of course you can get someone to IMPROVE their speed, but you can't turn a 5.2 into a 4.2. IMO that would be TEACHING speed, which just isn't done.

Speed is 10 MPH...speed is 100 MPH.
10 MPH is slow...100 MPH is fast.

Do point out where I said you could make a slow person fast....

Waiting.....


Still waiting....

I didn't did I........what I did say is you can be taught how to become faster......now isn't that what I've been saying...or are you out of realistic dialog and must continue on this word dance to evade the fact that....

Yes...a person can teach someone to jump farther...
Yes...a person can teach someone to jump higher...
Yes...a person can teach a person to run longer...
Yes...a person can teach someone to run faster...

Denying all these things? Makes you wonder what coaches and trainers do.

As the original article points out...it's about shaving the tenths of a second off your time...something many athletes pay others a good deal of money to teach them how to do.

That's a fact...that's what they do..it's all right there.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by jackrussell

Keep dancing around the fact my point has been 'teaching to improve their speed,'

Uh huh, whatever you say.


You can teach someone how to run, but you can't teach someone to be fast. Period.

[TOOMBS]

Originally Posted by Rack

Uh huh, whatever you say.


You can teach someone how to run, but you can't teach someone to be fast. Period.

I think Jack's argument is much more convincing since it is based around philosophies from experts in track, but you are probably right since you made a statement without backing it up and used the word "period" after it.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by TOOMBS

I think Jack's argument is much more convincing since it is based around philosophies from experts in track, but you are probably right since you made a statement without backing it up and used the word "period" after it.

He didn't use anything to back up his statements. All he did was post that it is possible to improve your speed. No kidding, I already said that. But you can't make a slow person fast. That's the whole point, Chico.

[jackrussell]

Originally Posted by Rack

He didn't use anything to back up his statements. All he did was post that it is possible to improve your speed. No kidding, I already said that. But you can't make a slow person fast. That's the whole point, Chico.

There's were you are perpetuating a lie...Skippy.

I've asked you to point out where I said that...you can't. It's easier to take the play stupid route I guess.

I said teach someone to become faster....and even though you short circuited that out of my quote...it's all up there exactly how I said it..and not how you edited it.

And no, you never already said anything....just puff up your chest and talk really loud as you hammer the keyboard.....PERIOD!!!!!

[Cowboys&Caps]

"1.55 seconds after 10 yards and finished with a 4.35-second 40. Impressive for any receiver but more so because he weighed 239 pounds."

Oh my Goodness think about that it took him 1.55 seconds to do 1/4 of the 40 putting him above the 6.0 second pace, but his recovery speed is absolutly amazing. It was clear that he got a bad start on his 4.35 run.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by jackrussell

There's were you are perpetuating a lie...Skippy.

I've asked you to point out where I said that...you can't. It's easier to take the play stupid route I guess.

I said teach someone to become faster....and even though you short circuited that out of my quote...it's all up there exactly how I said it..and not how you edited it.

And no, you never already said anything....just puff up your chest and talk really loud as you hammer the keyboard.....PERIOD!!!!!

So can you TEACH speed to a slow person or not? I already pointed out that speed can be IMPROVED, but you can't teach speed to someone that doesn't already have some SPEED.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by jackrussell

There's were you are perpetuating a lie...Skippy.

I've asked you to point out where I said that...you can't. It's easier to take the play stupid route I guess.

I said teach someone to become faster....and even though you short circuited that out of my quote...it's all up there exactly how I said it..and not how you edited it.

And no, you never already said anything....just puff up your chest and talk really loud as you hammer the keyboard.....PERIOD!!!!!

You have been saying that and thats true. You can teach someone to be faster. Just like a proper technique in weight lifting could mean that a guys max go up another 10 LBs. Hell, you can teach someone to look through the bible, searching for clues to the future and past through Biblic code (Even thought its complete BS, it can be taught.) . You can teach people anything.

With that being said, here is what you also said at the start of this thread that prompted my reponse.

Originally Posted by jackrussell

Shredding the myth of 'you can't teach speed'.

After that, you moved to your whole "teaching to be better" aspect which is true because you can teach people to do anything. So, as far as teaching someone to do something......YES, it can be done.

But heres the thing. When analysts and such refer to "teaching speed" they don't mean straight line speed exclusively. There are referring to natural ability, not potential ability. They aren't sitting there proclaiming that someone cannot improve their performance through training, they are saying that when someone has "It", they have it because they were born with it.

[jackrussell]

http://www.runwashington.com/feature...sgofaster.html

[FONT=Arial]Running Tips[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]February 1, 2000[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]For the Washington Running Report[/FONT]


[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]FACT: As a runner gets faster, the stride length shortens. Of course, this means that the secret to running faster is to turn the legs over faster - to teach them to move to a faster cadence. Research continues to show that a shorter stride is more efficient, and that when runners err, they tend to over-stride. In my experience, the shortening of only an inch or less can often relax the hamstring and other muscles; a resilient muscle can respond quicker, enabling the legs to go through the motion quicker. Most of you will run faster - with less effort.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The Workout [/FONT]
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]
Do a series of one minute accelerations. At first only 3-4. Gradually build up to 8-12. Don't try to spring. Running all- out often causes injury. In the more gradual acceleration, you're teaching yourself how to run faster - without significantly increasing effort. On each of these, count as you did in the warm-up for the full minute - as one of your feet touches.
Don't let this become a gut-wrenching, speed workout. You're teaching yourself to glide at a quicker pace. This allows you to run faster with less effort - and decreased chance of injury.[/FONT]

http://www.specialolympics.org/Speci...ls/Sprints.htm


Print this page The Sprints (100M-400M)

Sprinting is fun. Sprinting is the art of running fast. The object is to run as fast as possible while starting from being as still as possible. Power and coordination are the essential ingredients in the production of speed. Coordination can be improved through practicing good running mechanics. Speed is mostly an inherent factor; however, both coordination and speed can be improved through proper training. Even though sprinting involves all-out effort, pacing oneself in order to evenly distribute the expenditure of energy is essential. Sprinting can be broken down into four phases: the start, acceleration, maintaining momentum, and the finish.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/heal...ss/4286146.stm







Mike Antoniades
Speed, conditioning & rehabilitation coach



Whether you run to keep fit, compete at the Olympics or participate at any level in a multidirectional ball sport you can always improve your running and sprinting technique.

Running well and running fast is a skill, not something you were born with. And just like any other skill it can be taught.

Are you running efficiently?


Some of the most obvious weaknesses I see in runners and joggers are:
1. Bouncing up and down too much
2. Over striding
3. Not using their hamstrings enough
4. Landing on feet too heavily
5. Breaking action on landing
6. Not using arms
7. Twist midriff side to side while running
8. The head and upper body are bent forward
9. Jogging slower than you could walk!



Most joggers and runners are biomechanically inefficient because their running technique is poor.
They don't use the necessary body parts efficiently so when they are supposed to be enjoying themselves they are instead suffering pain.

THE SCIENCE


So how can you run faster, more efficiently and avoid injury?
The nervous, muscular, skeletal and cardiovascular systems of our body are all involved when we run.


They all combine to create the neuromuscular and neuromechanical systems.

We can improve the biomechanical movements for runners by teaching the body and the mind the correct motor patterns.

When you want to change a movement in your body it needs to be stored in your muscle memory so you can repeat without thinking, particularly when you are tired.

When you perform a motion the body sends messages to the brain in a certain sequence.

To create a permanent map in your brain and nervous system you need to repeat this motion many times until it is ingrained in your muscles and your brain.


http://www.armystudyguide.com/conten...er-now-6.shtml

Learn To Run Faster Now: 6 Quick Fixes

Posted Thursday, October 6, 2005

Contributed by: SGT Michael Volkin, author of The Ultimate Basic Training Guidebook
This is the second in a series about preparing for Boot Camp. Read the first article: "Prepare for Bootcamp."

Most Soldiers will tell you that running is the hardest portion of the physical fitness sessions in basic training. In basic training, everywhere you go, you will be in a hurry. Every other day, your morning physical training sessions will consist of a long run that only gets longer as the 9 weeks pass.

Running seems to be a natural movement to humans, which is why almost nobody bothers to learn how to run effectively. However, if you can apply a few simple techniques to your running style, the efficiency of your body movement can increase dramatically.

[jackrussell]

Originally Posted by Rack

So can you TEACH speed to a slow person or not? I already pointed out that speed can be IMPROVED, but you can't teach speed to someone that doesn't already have some SPEED.

You can teach a slow person to run faster.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by jackrussell

You can teach a slow person to run faster.

Duh. You know dang well what I meant. You're the one that changed your argument from what you posted at the beginning.


FastER? yes. But you can't teach a slow person to be FAST.

[jackrussell]

With that being said, here is what you also said at the start of this thread that prompted my reponse.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jackrussell
Shredding the myth of 'you can't teach speed'.

And I'm sticking to it. Teaching speed is teaching someone to be faster.