Troy Smith

[Vintage]

What is the obsession over a nobody QB like Ricky Ray?

[DallasEast]

Originally Posted by philo beddoe

That wouldn't be true. Why would we do that?

Even if Smith should find himself riding the bench on some team's roster, that will be more than what can be said of Ricky Ray. Also, just because you have a personal love affair with an NFL wannabe like Little Ricky does not make everything you say or feel about him true either. Please note that I'm a diehard LSU fan and could care less about Smith.

[DallasEast]

Originally Posted by Vintage

What is the obsession over a nobody QB like Ricky Ray?

Philo Beddoe believes that Ricky Ray is the next Warren Moon. Funny. No one in the NFL shares his opinion.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

He is as tall as Drew Brees who has been able to overcome his lack of height and there of course have been others who lacked the ideal height who have had very good careers. As for the mental side of the game that is a question mark for every QB who enters the league, can you make snap decisions under pressure?

I don't really like the comparisons between Brees and Smith. Brees, coming out of Purdue, was much further along in his QB skills then is Smith. While I think the comparisons, physically have merrit, I don't really see Smith in the same situation as Brees coming into the NFL. When Brees came into the league, San Diego tried to replace him a couple of times at QB. His skills as a QB saved him. Eventually, he lasted long enough to get a good opportunity and the rest is history. The team that takes Smith, IMO, is going to have to invest a great deal of time and snaps into him if he's ever going to be ready to play. To me, it's really a matter of time invested where Smith is concerned. QBs taken high get opportunity to develop typically. They get 3 or 4 years just because of the initial investment. QBs taken in the second day don't always get a great deal of time to develop. I believe that Smith will be a second day pick. If he goes to a team that is not completely sold on him as a QB, it's going to be hard for him to develop. That team has to believe in Smith enough to invest the 2 or 3 years it would take him to develop into a servicable NFL QB IMO. Add to the fact that you then have to believe in him enough to resign him as his initial contract is likely to expire before he ever produces for whatever team drafts him and that constitues a tough road for him IMO. He is not prototypical so he's not going to get the benifit of the doubt. I just think it's going to be tough for him to get on the field enought to prove anything right away. The question for him is all about time IMO.

[philo beddoe]

Originally Posted by Vintage

What is the obsession over a nobody QB like Ricky Ray?

Nobody? LOL. 2-Time Grey Cup Champion & CFL All-Star. Highest paid player in CFL.

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by philo beddoe

Nobody? LOL. 2-Time Grey Cup Champion & CFL All-Star. Highest paid player in CFL.

CFL is kind of like the NFL, right?

I mean, success in the CFL is the same thing like having success in the NFL, no?

[philo beddoe]

Originally Posted by DallasEast

Philo Beddoe believes that Ricky Ray is the next Warren Moon. Funny. No one in the NFL shares his opinion.

Don't be so sure. We shall see.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't really like the comparisons between Brees and Smith. Brees, coming out of Purdue, was much further along in his QB skills then is Smith. While I think the comparisons, physically have merrit, I don't really see Smith in the same situation as Brees coming into the NFL. When Brees came into the league, San Diego tried to replace him a couple of times at QB. His skills as a QB saved him. Eventually, he lasted long enough to get a good opportunity and the rest is history. The team that takes Smith, IMO, is going to have to invest a great deal of time and snaps into him if he's ever going to be ready to play. To me, it's really a matter of time invested where Smith is concerned. QBs taken high get opportunity to develop typically. They get 3 or 4 years just because of the initial investment. QBs taken in the second day don't always get a great deal of time to develop. I believe that Smith will be a second day pick. If he goes to a team that is not completely sold on him [View Full Quote]as a QB, it's going to be hard for him to develop. That team has to believe in Smith enough to invest the 2 or 3 years it would take him to develop into a servicable NFL QB IMO. Add to the fact that you then have to believe in him enough to resign him as his initial contract is likely to expire before he ever produces for whatever team drafts him and that constitues a tough road for him IMO. He is not prototypical so he's not going to get the benifit of the doubt. I just think it's going to be tough for him to get on the field enought to prove anything right away. The question for him is all about time IMO.

I think Smith will turn out to be a good QB I think he does have very good skills and has show great improvement each year. As for the comparison to Brees it was based only on height but none the less I do think Troy Smith is a guy who can develope into a very good QB regardless of his draft status. Some team will draft him and he will get a chance to show himself. For goodness sake we have a QB who went undrafted and sat for the 1st 3 years so to me where you get drafted or if your not drafted at all does not make a hill of beans it is what you do when you get your chance.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by philo beddoe

Nobody? LOL. 2-Time Grey Cup Champion & CFL All-Star. Highest paid player in CFL.

So what, that is the CFL not the NFL. Ray was brought in by the 9ers and failed, he was brought in to the Jets and failed. What he does in the CFL is meaningless.

[philo beddoe]

Originally Posted by Vintage

CFL is kind of like the NFL, right?

I mean, success in the CFL is the same thing like having success in the NFL, no?

I never said that. A great CFL QB can be an NFL prospect, though.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I think Smith will turn out to be a good QB I think he does have very good skills and has show great improvement each year. As for the comparison to Brees it was based only on height but none the less I do think Troy Smith is a guy who can develope into a very good QB regardless of his draft status. Some team will draft him and he will get a chance to show himself. For goodness sake we have a QB who went undrafted and sat for the 1st 3 years so to me where you get drafted or if your not drafted at all does not make a hill of beans it is what you do when you get your chance.

All well and good but how many QBs did we go through prior to Romo? How many of those guys got a decent opportunity to develop? How many coaches believe in drafting QBs and bringing them along like Parcells did? These are the questions you have to consider before you ever think about comparing Smith to Romo. Will he get drafted by a team who believes in him like we did Romo?

That doesn't happen very often IMO.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

All well and good but how many QBs did we go through prior to Romo? How many of those guys got a decent opportunity to develop? How many coaches believe in drafting QBs and bringing them along like Parcells did? These are the questions you have to consider before you ever think about comparing Smith to Romo. Will he get drafted by a team who believes in him like we did Romo?

That doesn't happen very often IMO.

undrafted I agree but there are starting QB's in the NFL who were day 2 picks Brady himself was a 6th rd pick. What I'm saying is Smith will be in camp with some team and what he shows them will determine his future not where he was picked. I do agree any team that invest in a 1st rd QB they pretty much need to get him out there and live or die with him. Smith likely will get selected around the 4th rd and will get the chance to sit and learn without the pressure that QB's taken in the 1st rd will face.

[Cochese]

Originally Posted by smarta5150

Its true.

When a guy is 6 feet tall and has to see AND throw over 6'7 OL and DL...

Yeah, put 1 and 1 togther.

Brees is 6 foot flat too. Yea, it really hampered his ability to play. What a bum that Drew Brees is.

I diddnt bother reading the last two pages of the thread, so I missed that some one allready brought up Brees. Measureables are so completely overrated that I wish that the common fan wouldnt have access to them. "Oh, he sucks..too short. He sucks..too slow". Watchign the games is meaningless, the measurables say it all.

[Cochese]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't really like the comparisons between Brees and Smith. Brees, coming out of Purdue, was much further along in his QB skills then is Smith. While I think the comparisons, physically have merrit, I don't really see Smith in the same situation as Brees coming into the NFL. When Brees came into the league, San Diego tried to replace him a couple of times at QB. His skills as a QB saved him. Eventually, he lasted long enough to get a good opportunity and the rest is history. The team that takes Smith, IMO, is going to have to invest a great deal of time and snaps into him if he's ever going to be ready to play. To me, it's really a matter of time invested where Smith is concerned. QBs taken high get opportunity to develop typically. They get 3 or 4 years just because of the initial investment. QBs taken in the second day don't always get a great deal of time to develop. I believe that Smith will be a second day pick. If he goes to a team that is not completely sold on him as [View Full Quote]a QB, it's going to be hard for him to develop. That team has to believe in Smith enough to invest the 2 or 3 years it would take him to develop into a servicable NFL QB IMO. Add to the fact that you then have to believe in him enough to resign him as his initial contract is likely to expire before he ever produces for whatever team drafts him and that constitues a tough road for him IMO. He is not prototypical so he's not going to get the benifit of the doubt. I just think it's going to be tough for him to get on the field enought to prove anything right away. The question for him is all about time IMO.

I dont necessarily agree with this. They ran the 5 wide offense when Brees was in school. Even Kyle Orton looked like a superstar in that offense.

[alancdc]

Originally Posted by dbair1967

I bet he doesnt go first day

and I wouldnt even waste a 7th on him...he's destined for the cfl

David

I bet he goes on Sunday as well. What do you think about Leak? He is also like just under 6'. Just curious because he is a Charlotte home town kid. He may not go until Sunday as well.