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burmafrd · 03-31-2007

You CLAIM he did better then Quinn. Does not make it so.
Now Russell had a better O line and a better D then Quinn did. He did not have to keep coming from behind all the time nor dodge rushers all the time. So explain how better stats under those conditions SHOW that Russell is better?

theogt · 03-31-2007

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

You CLAIM he did better then Quinn. Does not make it so.
Now Russell had a better O line and a better D then Quinn did. He did not have to keep coming from behind all the time nor dodge rushers all the time. So explain how better stats under those conditions SHOW that Russell is better?

Ok, he had better stats. We can debate about whether he was a better QB, but that will get us no where. You do have to at least accept that he had better stats, particularly against good defenses.

Also, Russell had at least 8 come from behind wins in his college career. You have a good point, though. Russell did have a better line, defense, and receivers. It's impossible to say, though, what his stats would have been like if he had played for Notre Dame. Then again, maybe the Notre Dame teammates might have played at a higher level with a QB like Russell.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

Played at a higher level? Really. Your man love for Russell is interesting. LSU has had a top 10 caliber team for several years. Lots of talent and a NC not too long ago. They have been riding high and well. ND has had to scratch and claw for most of its wins- the talent is not there for a top 10 team and they know it. Leave out the polls and all the mediot hype- the PLAYERS know they have to play at their very best to have a shot at the top teams. BQ has been front and center and a LEADER for that team. I seriously doubt that RUSSELL has either needed to or been as much a leader as BQ has been for the Irish.

Jay-D · 03-31-2007

I've got a bad feeling about Brady Quinn. I think the NFL will chew him up and spit him out.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

By the way- last two seasons in the 6 losses ND had (all to top 10 teams except for Michigan State- an OT loss-) Quinn had 20 TDS and 9 INTS. While in the losses for LSU Russell was 2tds and 6 ints.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

Why should the NFL chew up BQ? He already is used to having a bad D and a poor O line?

Cochese · 03-31-2007

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By the way- last two seasons in the 6 losses ND had (all to top 10 teams except for Michigan State- an OT loss-) Quinn had 20 TDS and 9 INTS. While in the losses for LSU Russell was 2tds and 6 ints.

And your point is what?

DallasEast · 03-31-2007

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Originally Posted by burmafrd

Now Russell had a better O line and a better D then Quinn did.

Russell also had a better running game and better receivers.

theogt · 03-31-2007

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Played at a higher level? Really. Your man love for Russell is interesting. LSU has had a top 10 caliber team for several years. Lots of talent and a NC not too long ago. They have been riding high and well. ND has had to scratch and claw for most of its wins- the talent is not there for a top 10 team and they know it. Leave out the polls and all the mediot hype- the PLAYERS know they have to play at their very best to have a shot at the top teams. BQ has been front and center and a LEADER for that team. I seriously doubt that RUSSELL has either needed to or been as much a leader as BQ has been for the Irish.

It was a joke. Did you not see the smiley? No, just like you didn't see that I posted the NFL rating above and that I posted his stats against top 25 defenses earlier in the thread.

Now, since I've shown that Russell performed better than Quinn, particularly against top defenses, you're arguing that Quinn is better because he is a "leader" and Russell is not. I really don't know how you can see what goes on inside lockerrooms, but I'll leave you with that, grasping for straws.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

NDs losses in 2005 were to Mich State in OT (early in the season before their annual melt down) USC - which only happened due to Bush pushing Leinart into the endzone on the last play of the game- and the loss to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl- where Brady played well but the D as usual was out to lunch. 2006: Michigan- Brady did not play well. USC- Brady did play pretty well but a lot of passes were dropped- especially by McKnight; and the D sucked. as usual. LSU- Once again Brady played well- after missing some passes early- and once again several were dropped and the D sucked again. And for all of 2006 an O line that had 4 starters back from 2005 sucked about as bad as the D (ONE MORE TIME- RYAN HARRIS STINKS IT UP).

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

Just the same as your claim that RUssell is a better QB. No proof at all.
JSNTO- really, wake up. The comparison is between Russell and Quinn; Quinn played better in losses then Russell did.

Cochese · 03-31-2007

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NDs losses in 2005 were to Mich State in OT (early in the season before their annual melt down) USC - which only happened due to Bush pushing Leinart into the endzone on the last play of the game- and the loss to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl- where Brady played well but the D as usual was out to lunch. 2006: Michigan- Brady did not play well. USC- Brady did play pretty well but a lot of passes were dropped- especially by McKnight; and the D sucked. as usual. LSU- Once again Brady played well- after missing some passes early- and once again several were dropped and the D sucked again. And for all of 2006 an O line that had 4 starters back from 2005 sucked about as bad as the D (ONE MORE TIME- RYAN HARRIS STINKS IT UP).

Brady Quinn15/35 148 4.2 2 2

Thats playing well? He barely completed half of his passes against USC. I guess we have different standards about what constitutes playing well.

theogt · 03-31-2007

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Just the same as your claim that RUssell is a better QB. No proof at all.

He had much better stats. That's something. You have nothing supporting your claim.

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JSNTO- really, wake up. The comparison is between Russell and Quinn; Quinn played better in losses then Russell did.

What does it matter? Doesn't that actually show that LSUs team performance was more dependent upon Russell? If the only games they lost were because Russell had a bad game, doesn't that mean it's likely that the games they won were because of Russell's good performance? Oh wait, I can see what's happening here -- when they lose its because of Russell and when they win its because he has a good team surrounding him. LOL. Good one.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

Why don't you post the stats from LSU's losses and compare them?
Against USC this year he had at least 6-8 passes dropped by his receivers. I counted 4 on McKnight alone. So if those 6 were caught, it would be 21 of 35, which is 60%. And this was against a team that was ahead the entire game and BQ had to try and come from behind the entire game. By the way- one of those drops by McKnight was in the end zone.

burmafrd · 03-31-2007

Mark Twain said it best: there are lies, damn lies- THEN there are statistics.
Carefull use of statistics can prove just about anything.