With regards to Ted Ginn's Value

[Champsheart]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Let's say that it was a guarantee that Ted Ginn would produce at least 80% of what Devin Hester did last year, on special teams alone. And, he would be a marginal contributor from the WR position.

Do you take him at 22? Are the field position and explosive returns enough to justify that spot, with the hopes that his raw talent can be developed into a decent WR?

Obviously the answer would be yes. I would be very happy with 80% of what Hester did. What would that be, like 4 Return TD's.

Yes that would be worth it.

Honestly I like Bowe, Meachem, and Ginn. Any one of the 3 would be fine with me, but I think all 3 would serve a different type of role even though they play WR.

I see Ginn having the potential to make the greatest impact early.
Mainly on returns, but I really think he could be used a lot in the offense as a utility type guy, run reverses, fake reverses, line him up in the backfield, and things like that to utilize his speed.

[Tristan]

Ginn already is a very good WR, he doesn't need to develop in to a "decent WR".

He produced all over the field as a WR at OSU, and his biggest impact on the game IMO is the way he opens up the rest of the offense by putting fear in opposing defenses and drawing so much attention.

Does he still need to prove that he can be a productive WR in the NFL, sure. Does he have a lot to work on to become a great WR, absolutely.

But to suggest that Ginn is nothing more than a speedy kick returner who occasionaly catches a pass, is to suggest that you have not watched him play football much.

Ginn is 1,000 times the WR than Hester is a CB at this point. We would be very, very fortunate to have him at 22, I say trade up if need be to get him, period.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Tristan

Ginn already is a very good WR, he doesn't need to develop in to a "decent WR".

In college, where he can outrun everyone - yeah. Once he takes that next step, as a WR his speed doesn't matter so much.

But to suggest that Ginn is nothing more than a speedy kick returner who occasionaly catches a pass, is to suggest that you have not watched him play football much.

Your second assumption would be correct. But I did not say the first part, nor did I even suggest it. I said nothing about his production in college, but the accepted theory is that he is a raw talent who would need some work. That's why I was focusing on his phenomenal return abilities for the hypothetical. Developing into a decent NFL WR (at least) is gravy.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by superpunk

hijacked. damn.

[Danny White]

Since they play different positions, let's not compare him to Hester.... put it this way, if Ginn were to be the next Dante Hall, would he be worth the #22 pick?

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Danny White

Since they play different positions, let's not compare him to Hester.... put it this way, if Ginn were to be the next Dante Hall, would he be worth the #22 pick?

Lookit, I already told you - Ginger!

It wasn't a comparison, per se, that had anything to do with position played. I'm just saying if we can get a similar amount of special team production, is that worth a #1 - with WR development just being an added bonus if he ever materializes into a special offensive player?

I think it is, even if it's not quite as much as Hester's. I think anyone would give anything to have weapons like Hall (a few years ago) and Hester at their disposal.

[Chocolate Lab]

I pretty much agree with Tristan. Hester was a fast guy and great return guy without a position even in college. Ginn is definitely a WR and already a darn good one, he just needs more work to round out his game.

I don't have much doubt Ginn is going to be a big WR threat very soon and for years to come, unless he doesn't work at it or want it. To me, the return factor is just a bonus.

[Cowboys&Caps]

Originally Posted by 4lifecowboy

Anybody that has the potential to effect the outcome of any giving game, reguardless of position is worthy of a first round pick IMO.

sounds like justification to drafting a kicker first round............

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Let's say that it was a guarantee that Ted Ginn would produce at least 80% of what Devin Hester did last year, on special teams alone. And, he would be a marginal contributor from the WR position.

Do you take him at 22? Are the field position and explosive returns enough to justify that spot, with the hopes that his raw talent can be developed into a decent WR?

if we weren't so complete as a team, I would say no, Ginn isn't worth a 1st if we weren't a good team, Chicago was able to get away w/ taking Hester in the 2nd because they're a damn, good football team that doesn't need that much to score points

so in short, Ginn is worth a 1st if he's coming into a situation where he's not counted on to be much of a factor on O and would just be asked to do what he does best, make plays in the return game

[ThreeSportStar80]

I wouldn't be totally upset if Dallas chose him with the 22nd pick honestly. I look at all the places he can contribute...


1. Kickoff Returns

2. Punt Returns

3. Deep routes as a WR.

The guy is a playmaker!

[Jake0]

People who compare his receiving skills to Dante Hall's need to get a clue. Trying to compare a productive gamebreaking college receiver to someone who was a 4th string WR for a team with mediocre WRs for many seasons? Get outa here.

People who try to bring out the Dante Hall comparison have to be the pessimistic anti-Ginn guys. Compare his upside to more productive sub-6 foot receivers in the league. Obviously Steve Smith is a bit of a stretch cause he's just flat out dominant right now, but there's other good receivers under 6 feet that can do major damage. Like him or not, Santana Moss is 5'10 185 and it's pretty clear to any cowboy what he can do.

If Ginn's there at 22 that would be an amazing pickup imo. I really hope Pacman gets suspended for an extended period of time, cause I think that would pretty much force Tennessee to take a CB in round 1 and likely leave us with either Meachem or Ginn available for the taking.

[big dog cowboy]

We go WR at 22 it better be because he will be a #1 WR eventually and not because of his return skills.

[Tristan]

I wasn't realy directing my comments at the original poster, other than his statement that Ginn needed to (become) a decent WR. He already is more than a decent WR.

I personally would not spend a first on a Devon Hester, a second at most. I agree with the premise that at the very least Ginn will provide great returns, and at most could have a Reggie Bush type impact at WR IMO.

My response was more to the many posters I've seen suggest that Ginn really isn't much of a WR.

Anybody who actually watched a lot of Ohio State football games over the last few years would certainly see that Ginn is a heck of a WR. And in addition to being a dynamic deep threat, he is a guy with solid hands that makes plays all over the field consistently.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even though Ginn would face faster competition ther is no question in my mind that Ginn is faster than the lionshare of DBs in this league. I dont watch a lot of college football but i have had a chance to watch Ginn a good bit and there was basically Ginn at one speed and then everyone else. He made everyone trying to keep up with him look like Brady James.

If he develops better skills on his routes and be a threat other than to just run deep posts and fly routes he will be phenomenal.

[GimmeTheBall!]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Lookit, I already told you - Ginger!

It wasn't a comparison, per se, that had anything to do with position played. I'm just saying if we can get a similar amount of special team production, is that worth a #1 - with WR development just being an added bonus if he ever materializes into a special offensive player?

I think it is, even if it's not quite as much as Hester's. I think anyone would give anything to have weapons like Hall (a few years ago) and Hester at their disposal.

Why would you compare different positions?

And when someone starts with the "per se," it's game over. You are tripping over yourself.

Go git a better response or argument.