Are The Cowboys Super Bowl Contenders?

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by superpunk

That is a pathetic response to a legitimate argument.

Actually scoring is not worse. Witten was just a bigger part of more scoring drives than Cooley. He had a higher catch percentage, even though he was getting far less balls thrown on bubble screens and passes behind the LOS. He is a more effective TE, all-round. You can't find a flaw in the system football outsiders uses, so you're just covering your ears and wailing "TDs!!!!!"

It's pretty pathetic. Address their system. It consistently rates Witten higher than Cooley. There's a reason for it - Witten is far more valuable a piece.

Maybe the Cowboys scored more then the Skins (had more weapons in the RZ). In that case, wouldn't Witten's stats be baised because he was on a more prolific offense? My point being is chances are if the Cowboys had (I'm just pulling these numbers out for hypothetical purposes) 40 TD drives, Witten would have more chances then Cooley would with 20 TD drives.
Cooley HAD to be the one that scored because Betts (Portis was out most of this season) wasn't a very good RZ threat and we didn't have a possession receiver other then Cooley.

[philo beddoe]

Originally Posted by lostinomiya

for me the two biggest factors are

1. will the OL fall apart?
2. can our defense be scary and not allow the opposing qb half an hour to make a play?

those things in particular are key for me. a third is free safety but that wont be half as big a problem if we scare the qb.

What about new coaching staff & schemes on offense & defense. What impact postive or negative will these factors have?

[REDVOLUTION]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Fine.

The Barber is a better running back than both Portis and Betts.

As long as I see your 'logic' I can see where you're coming from.

Does it hurt you to use ones logic against themselves?

[philo beddoe]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

QB: Already addressed
RB: Solid but no more. Could def use an upgrade.
FB: Developing, and could use a better FB, but decent enough.
TE: Witten is probably the 3rd best TE in the NFC East alone. I'd put Shockey and Cooley above him. Somewhere around LJ Smith...
WR: Should be good, but again, Terry Glenn is a huge question mark. How bad is that bone on bone? Isn't that a degenerative condition? Will he be productive outside of a Parcells team?
OL: If I have to tell you why hotel is on his last leg, then you probably won't understand anyways. He looked barely serviceable and definitely regressed a good bit from 05 Flo. He's just another year older. Davis should be a big (pun intended) upgrade from Rivera but Kosier is still just average. Colombo may be better, but he may not. Cowboys FO seems to have about as much faith as me, 1 year contract...
DL: Discussed enough
[View Full Quote]LB: Questions are four of your LBs??? That's not good, and the blanket "scheme" excuse doesn't make them any more of a sure thing.
CB: Excuse me, but there is no bloody way in hell your as good as any in the NFL. Denver, Baltimore, Jags, NE, GB and San Fran. All better then your top 3 easily.
S: Should be an upgrade, though FS is still enough of a concern to have you scratching your head and looking at prospects...
K: Gramatica could go either way, but no way is he better then just serviceable.
P: Best in the league...
KR: Looks good to me
PR: Need somebody other then Newman, if he goes down, so does your secondary. Having Henry and Glenn as #1-2 does not look pretty...

QB has not been fully addressed by a long shot.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Maybe the Cowboys scored more then the Skins (had more weapons in the RZ). In that case, wouldn't Witten's stats be baised because he was on a more prolific offense? My point being is chances are if the Cowboys had (I'm just pulling these numbers out for hypothetical purposes) 40 TD drives, Witten would have more chances then Cooley would with 20 TD drives.
Cooley HAD to be the one that scored because Betts (Portis was out most of this season) wasn't a very good RZ threat and we didn't have a possession receiver other then Cooley.

That's an interesting thought. But the factor from the rest of the team is not that enormous, as is borne out by Kellen Winslow being ranked 6th and Alge Crumpler 5th. Washington scored more points than both of them, but they were more integral parts of their offenses.

Cooley just grades out lower. He's still a good TE. Third best in a division full of good TEs ain't bad - you could maybe even put him second, since Shockey has suspect hands and acts up if he isn't THE focus. But Cooley's not better than Witten.

[stealth]

boy I wish I knew what theprophet thought about all this

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by YoMick

Interesting way to look at it... but it means nothing... we had JJ who had 4 TD's and Owens had 13 TD's and Barber had 14 TD's. JJ had something to do with Owens getting 13 and Barber getting 14.

Okay, Barber had 14 TDs... Jones had 4 TDs... The difference there is roughly 3 times the TDs.
Jones had 1084 yards and Barber had 654. For simple math's sake, Barber had almost half the yards. The comparison doesn't hang well with me because Witten has 2838 vs. Cooley's projected (assuming a relatively average season for him) 2572. The difference is roughly 250 yards. That's approximately 11% of the total. So in yards gained, Witten maintains a 11% edge. Cooley has (projecting again) 26 TDs and Witten has 14. The total difference is 46%. So Cooley has a much larger edge in TDs vs. Witten's edge in yards.

[stealth]

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by superpunk

That's an interesting thought. But the factor from the rest of the team is not that enormous, as is borne out by Kellen Winslow being ranked 6th and Alge Crumpler 5th. Washington scored more points than both of them, but they were more integral parts of their offenses.

Cooley just grades out lower. He's still a good TE. Third best in a division full of good TEs ain't bad - you could maybe even put him second, since Shockey has suspect hands and acts up if he isn't THE focus. But Cooley's not better than Witten.

Crumpler (statisically) had a better year then both Witten and Cooley. Of course he's going to play a bigger role, he's the only one that Vick throws to.

[burmafrd]

Love how desperately he is trying to justify Cooley. I guess its interesting that Cooley has never sniffed the Pro Bowl, and is not considered even a top 10 TE. He is a good H-Back; he will never be a good TE. H-Backs are of limited use compared to a real TE like Witten. Ask around the NFL who would you take if you have a choice ; WItten or Cooley. Probably 28 or 29 NF Head coaches would all say WITTEN.

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by stealth

Haha, he's always been a clown... He's one helluva teammate, always upbeat and funny. Real personable guy by all accounts.

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Love how desperately he is trying to justify Cooley. I guess its interesting that Cooley has never sniffed the Pro Bowl, and is not considered even a top 10 TE. He is a good H-Back; he will never be a good TE. H-Backs are of limited use compared to a real TE like Witten. Ask around the NFL who would you take if you have a choice ; WItten or Cooley. Probably 28 or 29 NF Head coaches would all say WITTEN.

Hahaha, yeah right dude. Cooley was on a losing team, and pro bowl is based on who is the most popular. Popularity has a lot to do with winning. Being on a losing team hurts. And in 05, it was a classification problem, he was ranked with FBs who were sent based more on blocking ability.

[REDVOLUTION]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Okay, Barber had 14 TDs... Jones had 4 TDs... The difference there is roughly 3 times the TDs.
Jones had 1084 yards and Barber had 654. For simple math's sake, Barber had almost half the yards. The comparison doesn't hang well with me because Witten has 2838 vs. Cooley's projected (assuming a relatively average season for him) 2572. The difference is roughly 250 yards. That's approximately 11% of the total. So in yards gained, Witten maintains a 11% edge. Cooley has (projecting again) 26 TDs and Witten has 14. The total difference is 46%. So Cooley has a much larger edge in TDs vs. Witten's edge in yards.

Thanks for making my point.... Julius ran down the field and Barber punched it in.

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Love how desperately he is trying to justify Cooley. I guess its interesting that Cooley has never sniffed the Pro Bowl, and is not considered even a top 10 TE. He is a good H-Back; he will never be a good TE. H-Backs are of limited use compared to a real TE like Witten. Ask around the NFL who would you take if you have a choice ; WItten or Cooley. Probably 28 or 29 NF Head coaches would all say WITTEN.

And what makes you think I'm desperate???

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Crumpler (statisically) had a better year then both Witten and Cooley. Of course he's going to play a bigger role, he's the only one that Vick throws to.

Quit singling things out and address entire posts.

The rating system works, it is solid in and out. There are some minor tweaks and anomolys, but for the most part, it gives you a solid rating of a players value.

Cooley can't touch Witten in an unbiased, in-depth, statistical evaluation. He's just too easy to replace.

You can't address it, so you keep spouting off about TDs. Cooley is the 2nd or third best TE in the division. Witten is the best, most consistent and valuable TE in the division, and for some years, the entire conference. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's true.