Are The Cowboys Super Bowl Contenders?

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

punk, I don't feel like wading, so could you please post the DVOA ranking again?

thanks

It's like a few posts up.

Witten was 3rd, 2nd and 3rd over the past three years.

Cooley was 9th, 4th and 18th.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

IMO, there isn't much seperation between Witten and Cooley

I'd say it's about even, Cooley is better at getting in the endzone, and Witten is the more surer receiver, both are average blockers

I would say that the TDs that Witten would have normally gotten were caught by Owens...and maybe run in by Barber. It's about opportunities. I don't know that Witten got many end zone opportunities last year. That is the TO effect, which I don't mind.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Again, you are oversimplifying things. Yes, if TDs are the only measure, Barber wins. Oh wait, nevermind. barber wins against an injured portis. But again, I point to the difference in yards vs. the difference in TDs.

No, I'm using your same criteria against you.

You're just apparently incapable of seeing that.

The one stat your hero has on Witten is TD's so for you, it's the deciding factor.

Therefore, by your own judgement:

Barber >>>>> Portis and Betts

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

I would say that the TDs that Witten would have normally gotten were caught by Owens...and maybe run in by Barber. It's about opportunities. I don't know that Witten got many end zone opportunities last year. That is the TO effect, which I don't mind.

great point

Cooley's got nothing then

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Oh okay, so if you could be somebody else, you would say Witten. But you can't BE anyone else, you'll always slant to the blue and silver side of things. If I weren't a Skins fan or Cooley wasn't a skin, I wouldn't change my opinion either. See how easy that was?

Except that I don't do that. If a Skins player is better, I have no issue with saying so.

I meant I wouldn't know what to do because they are both great weapons and I have no idea what the rest of the team looked like. You were a bit vague.

Uh, no I wasn't.

You believe... I believe a lot of things, but my beliefs aren't revelant to this discussion. Just like your personal beliefs aren't. That's why we use statistics.

No, that's why you're using them.

Wow, your so close to being funny. SO CLOSE! Just keep reaching for the stars.

Hey I will thanks for the support.

Haha, it isn't hype because Hos says it's not, huh? Wow, glad we cleared that one up. So, while we're at it, let me email the league office with your responses on the following?

Reading comprehension isn't your forte' is it?

Mike Vick all hype? How about Calvin Johnson? Who's your underachievers of the draft? I mean, after all, your opinion on these subjects end ALL debates.

It is? Damn, I need to market myself. Pay me and I'll tell you all you want to know.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

No, I'm using your same criteria against you.

You're just apparently incapable of seeing that.

The one stat your hero has on Witten is TD's so for you, it's the deciding factor.

Therefore, by your own judgement:

Barber >>>>> Portis and Betts

Funny how the math only works one way huh Stash?

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by superpunk

It's the best one I've found. If you've found a better, please produce it. Otherwise, cease with the attempts to degrade the evaluation system when you don't even possess the mental faculty to understand it. No matter how much you reiterate your foolishness.

The mental faculty huh? Wow, maybe, just maybe, I don't think it's as easy as one number, no matter how well numbers go into that particular number. I mean, if it was, why have scouts?

Originally Posted by Hostile

Not maybe. Definitely. Witten's catch percentage is better than Cooley's every year.

How is THAT number derived?

Originally Posted by Hostile

Taking a bubble screen 20 ayrds does not qualify you as a deep threat. Cooley had 17 receptions behind the LOS last year and 21 the year before that. Witten has had 9 total the past two years.

Who is catching passes downfield in traffic more often?

Cooley has proven to be a downfield threat already. Just because he catches more passes close in doesn't negate his threat down the field. That 66 yard reception was with a safety on his back, which he shrugged off and then raced down the sideline (I believe he had to break another tackle too) for a score that put the Skins up. I like that threat better then a 44 yard reception that didn't score. But you can take your 44 yard reception if that's what you prefer.

Originally Posted by Hostile

Over the past 3 years, Witten has 31 catches of 20 ayrds or more. Cooley has 21. Fall back.

Oh, you mean including the Cooley's first season where he only started 6 games? Yeah, that's valid. Over the last two seasons (where both started an equal amount) Cooley has 18 20+ yard receptions and 2 40+. Witten has 17 20+ receptions and 1 40+. Try again...

Yay, hooray, an actual post based on fact. It only took 11 pages.

[Rampage]

as of right now we are pretenders.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Funny how the math only works one way huh Stash?

It's like talking to a wall!



Like Forrest says, "stupid is as stupid does....."

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Oh, you mean including the Cooley's first season where he only started 6 games? Yeah, that's valid. Over the last two seasons (where both started an equal amount) Cooley has 18 20+ yard receptions and 2 40+. Witten has 17 20+ receptions and 1 40+. Try again...

wow, Cooley has 2 more 20 and 40+ yard pass receptions

you sure showed him

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Except that I don't do that. If a Skins player is better, I have no issue with saying so.

Uh, no I wasn't.

No, that's why you're using them.

Hey I will thanks for the support.

Reading comprehension isn't your forte' is it?

It is? Damn, I need to market myself. Pay me and I'll tell you all you want to know.

Really? Whos better on the skins then? And I mean not obviously better like Portis. Who edges out a Cowboy's player by a thin margin that you don't mind admitting???

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Really? Whos better on the skins then? And I mean not obviously better like Portis. Who edges out a Cowboy's player by a thin margin that you don't mind admitting???

I'd say that Chris Samuels is currently playing better than Flozell Adams - for starters.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Really? Whos better on the skins then? And I mean not obviously better like Portis. Who edges out a Cowboy's player by a thin margin that you don't mind admitting???

santana moss is a little bit better that patrick crayton

[firehawk350]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

wow, Cooley has 2 more 20 and 40+ yard pass receptions

you sure showed him

Well actually, I just refuted his inherently wrong point that Witten is a better downfield threat. I wasn't trying to prove that Cooley is THAT much better downfield. He is roughly equal but he's better at YAC.

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by firehawk350

Really? Whos better on the skins then? And I mean not obviously better like Portis. Who edges out a Cowboy's player by a thin margin that you don't mind admitting???

Chris Samuels over Flozell
Randy Thomas over Leonard Davis
Casey Rabach over Gurode

then Portis

hmmm, that's all I can think of