Dallas Cowboys Picks

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by nyc

Grade: A-

Cowboys draft Anthony Spencer and a possible top 10 2008 first round pick for the cost of a 3rd and 5th round pick. This is an A+ right off the bat. With Ellis aging and coming of a serious injury. The absolute best pick they could have made.

[View Full Quote]Now, I have a few problems with our 2nd round pick. (53rd overall) First, I thought they should have tried to move up and take Chris Houston. The Falcons did. While Newman and Henry would still be the starters next season, Houston would be the starting CB probably in 2008. While the Cowboys may have tried to do this. Since it did not happen, I thought the Cowboys should select Ryan Kalil center out of USC. This guy can be a immediate starter and has pro-bowl potential. Well, we don't need a starter, but we don't have a backup for Gurode either! (nor did we sign or draft a center the entire draft) This guy would have been a great backup, trade bait, or even replace Gurode allowing Gurode to be traded. That didn't happen either. Well, when I saw the trade happen with the Browns, I wasn't happy due to the center deal. When I saw the Browns take Eric Wright with the pick I was very unhappy. At the time it didn't even ocurr to me that we could have taken Wright.

Eric Wright is probably has the best physical tools of all the CBs in the draft. (Yes, better than Hall, Ross, Revis, and Houston) His problem was he had the worst character issues of anyone in the draft. To take him would have been hedging your bets, but it's one that could really payoff. By paying off I mean that absolute steal of the draft.

Instead we traded back and lost out of two very good prospects at needed positions. I'm not happy.

James Marten: I'm on the ropes about this guy. He has alot that looks good, but many questions about important parts of his game. He is a offensive tackle and is very limited laterally. He had trouble in college, the NFL is going to tear him a new one. Beyond that, he looks very good and as noted is a nasty player. (Erik Williams anybody?)

Isaiah Standback: Drafted as a receiver. I'm on the fence with this guy. He doesn't have great speed. (4.6 40), but he has some size at 6'3 216lbs. He could also be an option with trick plays. (end around option?) They say he runs good routes. As I said, I'm on the fence.

Doug Free: I like this pick. Obvisouly the Cowboys don't have any intention on bringing Flozell Adams back next year and thats why we are drafting all the offensive tackles. Of course, you can never go wrong drafting offensive tackles in my book. I like this pick.

Nick Folk: Phillips said they drafted him because he can kick the ball with alot of power. The Cowboys arn't sold on Gramatica so this is competition. Folk has holes in his game, but this wasn't a bad pick either.

Deon Anderson: I love this pick! This guy is Ryan Fowler's replacement not to mention he is probably better on special teams that Fowler. This guy plays with an intensity rarely matched. (See the movie Rudy) There were stories about his life growing up around here. (went to school at UConn) Very interesting. I'm already sold on this guy. He will make the team.

Courtney Brown: Nickel back. The position, not the group. If he is able to develop into a starting cornor, it won't be in the next year or two. Becoming a gym rat; could test at free safety with a little more size.

Alan Ball: Just another CB selection. I don't see him making the team.

A couple of things.

1st
Stanback's speed on the site you got it from is wrong. Including the information I posted in the additional write ups.

His speed is in the 4.3 to 4.4 range. He said in an interview that he has NEVER been a 4.6 guy.

2nd
I agree in principle about taking a backup center. Kalil may be the best but I also think we should have taken one later in the draft and not where you wanted to take him.
I was actually thinking of players like Dustin Fry and Dough Datish as the type of players lower in the rounds to look at concerning centers.
Why...because I figured it would cost less after spending so much on Gurode at this point and they could grow into being good players. Kalil I think would cost more than they would want for a backup center at that spot.

Why is it ok for taking Marten at that spot instead...well I think that we have Flozell in his contract year and Columbo in a 2 year day so we have the possibility that one or both of them will be gone in the next 1 to 2 years compared to having Gurode locked up longer.

Update...It appears, if what I read is correct, that we signed Florida center Steve Rissler.

Sounds like a utility man, nothing special...destined backup.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=168&p=8&c=1&nid=2566723

[Wulfman]

Area news is reporting that, according to his agent, former Oregon State QB Matt Moore has signed with the Cowboys.

This was the guy that Ron Jaworski spent two days drooling over...

Here's the link to the story....buried at the very bottom:

http://www.theworldlink.com/articles...ts05043007.txt

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by Wulfman

Area news is reporting that, according to his agent, former Oregon State QB Matt Moore has signed with the Cowboys.

This was the guy that Ron Jaworski spent two days drooling over...

Here's the link to the story....buried at the very bottom:

http://www.theworldlink.com/articles...ts05043007.txt

Yes I seen it in a Undrafted FA thread someone had up earlier.

BTW, Good to see you, been some time.

[Ben_n_austin]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Yes I seen it in a Undrafted FA thread someone had up earlier.

BTW, Good to see you, been some time.

Nice to see you, too, Mr. Paint.

[speedkilz88]

It was reported either on Talkin Cowboys or theticket that the Cowboys scouts thought that Kalil was a "blown up" 300 pounder, sounds like they feel he will have the same trouble as Al Johnson.

It was also mentioned by Jerry before the draft that certain "character" players had been taken off their board. Imo, Wright was one of them. I know that McClain here in the Houston area said that this guy has more skeletons than is being reported.

[StanleySpadowski]

I don't really have anything to add other than we shouldn't have "Washington <ethnic slur deleted> picks" as the the very top thread in the top forum.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

I don't really have anything to add other than we shouldn't have "Washington <ethnic slur deleted> picks" as the the very top thread in the top forum.

Which is why I am bumping this one.

[92DoverTiger112]

Originally Posted by nyc

Grade: A-

Cowboys draft Anthony Spencer and a possible top 10 2008 first round pick for the cost of a 3rd and 5th round pick. This is an A+ right off the bat. With Ellis aging and coming of a serious injury. The absolute best pick they could have made.

[View Full Quote]Now, I have a few problems with our 2nd round pick. (53rd overall) First, I thought they should have tried to move up and take Chris Houston. The Falcons did. While Newman and Henry would still be the starters next season, Houston would be the starting CB probably in 2008. While the Cowboys may have tried to do this. Since it did not happen, I thought the Cowboys should select Ryan Kalil center out of USC. This guy can be a immediate starter and has pro-bowl potential. Well, we don't need a starter, but we don't have a backup for Gurode either! (nor did we sign or draft a center the entire draft) This guy would have been a great backup, trade bait, or even replace Gurode allowing Gurode to be traded. That didn't happen either. Well, when I saw the trade happen with the Browns, I wasn't happy due to the center deal. When I saw the Browns take Eric Wright with the pick I was very unhappy. At the time it didn't even ocurr to me that we could have taken Wright.

Eric Wright is probably has the best physical tools of all the CBs in the draft. (Yes, better than Hall, Ross, Revis, and Houston) His problem was he had the worst character issues of anyone in the draft. To take him would have been hedging your bets, but it's one that could really payoff. By paying off I mean that absolute steal of the draft.

Instead we traded back and lost out of two very good prospects at needed positions. I'm not happy.

James Marten: I'm on the ropes about this guy. He has alot that looks good, but many questions about important parts of his game. He is a offensive tackle and is very limited laterally. He had trouble in college, the NFL is going to tear him a new one. Beyond that, he looks very good and as noted is a nasty player. (Erik Williams anybody?)

Isaiah Standback: Drafted as a receiver. I'm on the fence with this guy. He doesn't have great speed. (4.6 40), but he has some size at 6'3 216lbs. He could also be an option with trick plays. (end around option?) They say he runs good routes. As I said, I'm on the fence.

Doug Free: I like this pick. Obvisouly the Cowboys don't have any intention on bringing Flozell Adams back next year and thats why we are drafting all the offensive tackles. Of course, you can never go wrong drafting offensive tackles in my book. I like this pick.

Nick Folk: Phillips said they drafted him because he can kick the ball with alot of power. The Cowboys arn't sold on Gramatica so this is competition. Folk has holes in his game, but this wasn't a bad pick either.

Deon Anderson: I love this pick! This guy is Ryan Fowler's replacement not to mention he is probably better on special teams that Fowler. This guy plays with an intensity rarely matched. (See the movie Rudy) There were stories about his life growing up around here. (went to school at UConn) Very interesting. I'm already sold on this guy. He will make the team.

Courtney Brown: Nickel back. The position, not the group. If he is able to develop into a starting cornor, it won't be in the next year or two. Becoming a gym rat; could test at free safety with a little more size.

Alan Ball: Just another CB selection. I don't see him making the team.

The funniest part of your post is when you say that Isaiah Stanback doesn't have great speed. I think you need to do more research, repost and then give Isaiah Stanback an apology...

[Cogan]

Originally Posted by Darkhound

Were you guys satisfied with the pics?

I was NOT satified with most of the picks. I believe in getting as much value, or bang for your buck, as you can, whether it's at WalMart or the NFL Draft.

*I loved the Anthony Spencer pick. When the top two OTs in the draft both mention the same player when asked who was the toughest player they had to block, you know you have a player. Spencer benches 525, squats 620, and power cleans 360. Only Manuel Ramirez, a 335 lb. OG, beat that triangle of numbers of ALL the players drafted! This guy is going to be something special. With DWare drawing constant double teams, I wouldn't doubt Spencer will make Mel Kiper's prediction of DROY a prophesy.

*I also really liked the Doug Free pick. To get a player who was projected to go around #85-90 & get him at #122, then you've gotten some value. Free is super quick, and tenacious. He had many plays where he pass blocked, then, after the pass was completed, ran down the field to block for the receiver. In fact, he is so fast for his size, his teammates named him "Doug Freak". Even though he was taken after Marten, I firmly believe he will be the OT to take over for Flozell Adams next year.

*So, here is my "Shoulda" mock draft of the players who were available at the same time that some of the players that were picked, that had much more value in terms of where they were taken, and the needs of the team.

1-26- Anthony Spencer, OLB, Purdue, 6-3, 266, 4.60.

3-67- Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno St., 6-1, 200, 4.36.

4-103- Doug Free, OT, N. Illinios, 6-7, 320, 5.10

4-122- Gosh Gattis, FS, Wake Forest, 6-1, 205, 4.5...*Even though the team signed Ken Hamlin from Seattle to fill the FS spot, it's not filled until someone proves they can fill it. That is why the Cowboys should have focused more on quality secondary players. It was the secondary that killed us, along w/the lack of pass rush, at the end of last year. One feeds off the other. With the type of attack defense that Wade Phillips plays, he has to be able to trust his secondary to hold up & cover during the many blitzes he throws at teams.

6-178- Matt Toeaina, DL/NT, Oregon, 6-2, 310, 5.10...*This team needs a backup & future starter at the NT position. This guy gives you all he's got.

6-195- Doug Datish, OC/OG/OT, Ohio St., 6-4, 310, 5.10...projected to go in the 4th-5th rd. Very versatile, tough.

7-212- Courtney Brown, CB, Cal Poly, 6-1, 205, 4.32...excellent value pick.

7-237- Brandon Siler, ILB, Florida, 6-2, 240, 4.6...Hard to believe he's still here! Plays a little stiff, but most figured him a 2nd-3rd rounder. Is super tough, and just knows where the ball is going to be. Great instincts. Could push Bradie James by 2008.

*Taking James Marten at #67 was not a value pick. That is about where he was projected to go. Plus, he didn't show much at the Senior Bowl, both in practice & the game. Marcus McCauley, however, was considered by most as the most physically gifted CB in the draft. Any problems he had his Sr. yr. at Fresno St. are ones that can be corrected. This would have been a great value pick. Besides, we needed a quality CB much more than we needed a OT project.

*Isaiah Stanback was a luxury this team can't afford. I hope he does well, but I have my doubts if he can or is willing to translate his talents to WR/RS.

*I really hated the Nick Folk pick. We already have one of the best PKs in the NFL. Gramatica did very well down the stretch last yr., and showed nothing for the team to think he has lost anything. Folk has a stronger leg, but didn't they fire a kicker last year for being erratic? Makes no sense.

*Speaking of no sense, how about Deon Anderson? This guy probably would have been there waiting on Sunday night. If not, the team could have signed FB Cory Anderson, who most rated higher anyway. Besides, with Polite & Hoyte, why was it necessary to DRAFT a FB? Just get one in UDFA!

*Speaking of UDFA, that's where Alan Ball would have been if we hadn't taken him. When you compare a player of Ball's ability to Brandon Siler, there is no comparison.

I think the team, aside from the great deal they made with the Browns, and the selection of Anthony Spencer, did almost as well in UDFA as it did in the regular draft. I feel the following players they signed from UDFA have a solid chance to at least make the team:

Alonzo Coleman, RB, Hampton, 5-10, 210, 4.45. One of a few players to ever have gained over 1,000 yds. in all 4 seasons. With an upper body like a body builder, he may be able to block the blitz better than Tyson Thompson.

Jackie Battle, RB/FB, Houston, 6-2, 240, 4.43. Showed up big at the Combine. Could make team first at ST.]

Matt Moore, QB, Oregon St., 6-4, 200, 4.85. The QB position is pretty crowded, but, after watching part of the draft again, I noticed Ron Jaworski really pitching for Matt Moore after the forth rd. He had Moore rated as the 5th best QB in the draft. Jaws is one of the few "experts" at ESPN that I really respect. There must be something there, because the Cowboys were ecstatic about getting Moore.

Robert Turner, OG, New Mexico, 6-4, 315, 5.35. A man's man who might take a job from someone who might not want it as badly as Turner does. Real tough guy who will take it to you.

Ola Dagunduro, NT, Nebraska, 6-2, 300, 5.10. Real quick big man who may fit well into Phillip's new defense.

[sago1]

Saw this post and just thought I commented on his ideas the day after we cut down to 53.

1. Still like the Spencer pick as well as Free. While I didn't like the Folk pick, it certainly looks like a winner now particularly since Grammatica now hurt.

2. I also liked the Courtney Brown pick but am disappointed that apparently he's more a FS then a CB.

3. The Marten, Stanbach, Anderson & Ball picks still seem questionable to me. I really wanted McCauley (first choice was Free) in the 3rd and was very surprised with Marten pick but hope it works out. Stunned with Stanbach pick and it's only successful in my mind if he becomes a legit #1 WR. Also surprised by Anderson pick but maybe it works out; same goes for Ball.

4. I'm pretty sure the Cleveland pick will turn out to be a top 7 pick so we should get a quality player at a needed position be it RB, CB, WR or trade down to pick up another first day pick.