VIDEO COMPARISON: The Phillips 3-4 vs The Parcells 3-4

[dmq]

I think we all know how painfully obvious it was where our blitz was coming from. I know everytime I saw Newman crowd the line, we were gonna get toasted.

[ethiostar]

great job TEK, Thanks!!

[5Stars]

That is some good stuff TEK! Amazing analysis! Thanks very much...

[Yakuza Rich]

The defense's inability to time and/or disguise their blitzes is what frustrated me the most. And we also almost always blitzed right up the gut. Because the timing and disguise was poor, teams could just make another line call and pinch the O-Line together and not have to worry about the pass rush.





YAKUZA

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

The defense's inability to time and/or disguise their blitzes is what frustrated me the most. And we also almost always blitzed right up the gut. Because the timing and disguise was poor, teams could just make another line call and pinch the O-Line together and not have to worry about the pass rush.





YAKUZA

Not only did we always come right up the gut, but we also timed it almost exactly the same each time. It was the most generic thing I have ever seen.

Oh yeah, and if I never see us run up the middle on 3rd and long after an incomplete pass on 2nd down ever again, it will be too soon.

[BouncingCheese]

Cool video.. Wow, I noticed on the first stunt against the steelers that H. Miller was open because of Phillips leaving to blitz ( I understand that is what happens when you blitz or stunt) but If a faster reciever was there and Big Ben was able to see it the reciever could have gashed the D.

[dmq]

Originally Posted by BouncingCheese

Cool video.. Wow, I noticed on the first stunt against the steelers that H. Miller was open because of Phillips leaving to blitz ( I understand that is what happens when you blitz or stunt) but If a faster reciever was there and Big Ben was able to see it the reciever could have gashed the D.

True, but the key to a good blitz is to cause panic in a QB so that he doesn't even see the open receiver. That's why our slow to get to the QB blitzes left us frequently open to big plays. Its why Parcells didn't blitz much.

[BouncingCheese]

Originally Posted by dmq

True, but the key to a good blitz is to cause panic in a QB so that he doesn't even see the open receiver. That's why our slow to get to the QB blitzes left us frequently open to big plays. Its why Parcells didn't blitz much.

Your right...My only concern is that our D-Line may not perform as well as SD's; and the defensive line is really key to the pressure more than the LB stunting. We are not the fastest team in the secondary, and if we are exposed when blitzing or stunting I really see that we could give up very large plays.... I mean honestly we were playing prevent defense late in the season (and honsetly most of the time we had a lead throughout IMO) and we still ended up giving big plays that could have been avoided were we a faster team.( BP loves those big, slow players; I wish he would have realized that this is not 1986 and alot of players are as fast at Lawrene Taylor nowadays)

[Everlastingxxx]

Thanks TEK, great job!

[superpunk]

The blitz disguise is terrible.

But that is clearly not going to fix everything.

Watch the videos again, and this time pick up on our defensive ends taking on a single lineman, and getting their arses kicked. This is an intriguing comparison, albeit a far from representative sample set - but you cannot ignore that when Spears and Canty were "allowed" to get up field, they could not. On the contrary, you see San Diego's linemen blowing their guys up and getting inside. Slanting the defensive linemen isn't some be-all end-all. The linemen need talent.

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by superpunk

when Spears and Canty were "allowed" to get up field

When was that?

[lurkercowboy]

Remember the old saying, live by the blitz and die by the blitz. It can cover up some weaknesses, but it has vulnerabilites as well. I don't want to see a blitz-happy defense that gives up a lot of big plays next year.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by superpunk

The blitz disguise is terrible.

But that is clearly not going to fix everything.

Watch the videos again, and this time pick up on our defensive ends taking on a single lineman, and getting their arses kicked. This is an intriguing comparison, albeit a far from representative sample set - but you cannot ignore that when Spears and Canty were "allowed" to get up field, they could not. On the contrary, you see San Diego's linemen blowing their guys up and getting inside. Slanting the defensive linemen isn't some be-all end-all. The linemen need talent.

I don't think that's true at all. But we could go in circles for hours on that and I've got work to do.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by theogt

I don't think that's true at all. But we could go in circles for hours on that and I've got work to do.

You're certainly free to watch that first play again.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by superpunk

You're certainly free to watch that first play again.

Looks like a 2-gap read and react assignment where they weren't "allowed" to just get up field. If you're required to allow the O-line to set up and take you head on man-to-man fully prepared, that's not exactly the situation we're talking about and it's certainly not conducive to the pass-rush.

It's that split second at the snap where a pass-rush can fail or succeed. If the D-line can beat the O-line before it gets set-up ready to block by just a milisecond, it can be more effective. That's the problem with 2-gap vs. 1-gap slanting.

Wade talked about this during the mini-camp. During the season Spears wouldn't use his athleticism/quickness to beat the blocker. That was because of the 2-gap assignment. That's what you're seeing in the first play.