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[masomenos]

First, how to you quote individual text segments like that? lol

Y'know, I don't really care how a receiver gives me a 40 yard gain, if he does it often enough he'll stretch defenses...

I agree that it doesn't really matter how you gain those 40 yards, but in a debate about whether or not he has the speed to stretch defenses it does matter.

Actually, the hurdles are the one track event that most demand the skills that an NFL WR needs... you need pure straight line speed, and you need to be quick out of the blocks (which is true for ALL of the shorter, "sprint" events), and you need to be able to jump pretty well...

No. Getting out of the blocks is completely different than starting from a two point stance. Sweed's speed in the 110m hurdles is evident of his straight line speed over an entire football field, and you almost never see players running the full distance. He could just have phenomenal times from 60m to 110m after he's gained speed over distance. We'd have to see his splits to get any real information. What matters is his straight line speed over 10 yards, a pretty common distance for the end of a routes stem. And hurdle jumping is much different than jumping up for a football (although that is something Sweed is good at).


And like I said, with his track background, I expect that he'll be pretty quick out of the blocks... he spent a lot of time in a younger day practicing exactly that...

Out of the blocks and out of a two point stance are different.

Except Williams was lazy, and never really in shape... the comparison to Keyshawn was apt because Sweed plays a very similar, very physical game... with Key, it was said that even when he's covered, he's open... that's pretty much true for Sweed as well, and is one of the reasons I like the guy so much...

He's really not all that physical for his size, certainly not like Keyshawn in respects to downfield blocking. That's not to say he's not somewhat physical but I certainly don't see him in the Michael Irvin type mold you were alluding to earlier.


Again, the Horns had a wide array of talented offensive players, and that had an impact on Sweed's numbers... they had Selvin Young, now with the Broncos, they had Jamaal Charles, who will playing for some NFL team... they had Bo Scaife at TE, now the second leading receiver for the Titans... for a time, they had Vince Young tucking the ball and running all over the field, rather than throwing it... with all that talent and more demanding their touches, well, there's only one football to go around...

You mean like how the Cowboys offense had a lot of talented players but still found ways for their guys to produce? Or USC the year that Texas beat them? Or how Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald all had a big season together? If Sweed were the #3 WR then yes, it would have hurt his production, but talented players still produce among other talented players when their the #1 or #2 option.

All that said, I wouldn't mind him being a Cowboy if we were able to pick him in the second round, but there are just other WRs with more complete skill sets that we would be able to target in the first. For a player with Sweeds concerns I would be wary to spend a first round pick on him, which is why I said that I considered him a higher risk pick. However, he certainly does have potential with his great hands. Will he ever be a #1? No I don't think so, at this point I don't see it, I think he would struggle against teams top CBs. As a #2 or #3 guy though, going against less skilled palyers I do think that he could make a difference for a team. Depending on what team he goes to I would expect him to have a rookie year similar to Sidney Rice, maybe somewhere around 400-500 yards and a handful of TDs.

[Biggems]

Originally Posted by masomenos85

First, how to you quote individual text segments like that? lol

Y'know, I don't really care how a receiver gives me a 40 yard gain, if he does it often enough he'll stretch defenses...

I agree that it doesn't really matter how you gain those 40 yards, but in a debate about whether or not he has the speed to stretch defenses it does matter.

Actually, the hurdles are the one track event that most demand the skills that an NFL WR needs... you need pure straight line speed, and you need to be quick out of the blocks (which is true for ALL of the shorter, "sprint" events), and you need to be able to jump pretty well...

[View Full Quote]No. Getting out of the blocks is completely different than starting from a two point stance. Sweed's speed in the 110m hurdles is evident of his straight line speed over an entire football field, and you almost never see players running the full distance. He could just have phenomenal times from 60m to 110m after he's gained speed over distance. We'd have to see his splits to get any real information. What matters is his straight line speed over 10 yards, a pretty common distance for the end of a routes stem. And hurdle jumping is much different than jumping up for a football (although that is something Sweed is good at).


And like I said, with his track background, I expect that he'll be pretty quick out of the blocks... he spent a lot of time in a younger day practicing exactly that...

Out of the blocks and out of a two point stance are different.

Except Williams was lazy, and never really in shape... the comparison to Keyshawn was apt because Sweed plays a very similar, very physical game... with Key, it was said that even when he's covered, he's open... that's pretty much true for Sweed as well, and is one of the reasons I like the guy so much...

He's really not all that physical for his size, certainly not like Keyshawn in respects to downfield blocking. That's not to say he's not somewhat physical but I certainly don't see him in the Michael Irvin type mold you were alluding to earlier.


Again, the Horns had a wide array of talented offensive players, and that had an impact on Sweed's numbers... they had Selvin Young, now with the Broncos, they had Jamaal Charles, who will playing for some NFL team... they had Bo Scaife at TE, now the second leading receiver for the Titans... for a time, they had Vince Young tucking the ball and running all over the field, rather than throwing it... with all that talent and more demanding their touches, well, there's only one football to go around...

You mean like how the Cowboys offense had a lot of talented players but still found ways for their guys to produce? Or USC the year that Texas beat them? Or how Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald all had a big season together? If Sweed were the #3 WR then yes, it would have hurt his production, but talented players still produce among other talented players when their the #1 or #2 option.

All that said, I wouldn't mind him being a Cowboy if we were able to pick him in the second round, but there are just other WRs with more complete skill sets that we would be able to target in the first. For a player with Sweeds concerns I would be wary to spend a first round pick on him, which is why I said that I considered him a higher risk pick. However, he certainly does have potential with his great hands. Will he ever be a #1? No I don't think so, at this point I don't see it, I think he would struggle against teams top CBs. As a #2 or #3 guy though, going against less skilled palyers I do think that he could make a difference for a team. Depending on what team he goes to I would expect him to have a rookie year similar to Sidney Rice, maybe somewhere around 400-500 yards and a handful of TDs.

this is a great debate.......speaking of debating.....were any of you guys UMass Debaters?



I like Sweed....if you don't so be it. If you do, cool. Don't worry masomenos......why you continue to argue or debate is beyond me. it is quite foolish of you. You should know it doesn't matter how much we want Sweed, Charles, or any other Longhorn..........Jerry doesn't draft from the Burnt Orange.

[masomenos]

Originally Posted by Biggems

this is a great debate.......speaking of debating.....were any of you guys UMass Debaters?



I like Sweed....if you don't so be it. If you do, cool. Don't worry masomenos......why you continue to argue or debate is beyond me. it is quite foolish of you. You should know it doesn't matter how much we want Sweed, Charles, or any other Longhorn..........Jerry doesn't draft from the Burnt Orange.

I enjoy discussing stuff like this, that's why I continue to do it lol.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Limas Sweed? Jerry Jones stays away from Univ, of Texas players.

[dalboy]

Originally Posted by Biggems

we trade our #31 and 5th to Atlanta for #37 and #67

(1) 22. CB - Aqib Talib - Kansas
(2) 37. WR - Limas Sweed - Texas
(2) 63. RB - Chris Johnson - ECU / Jamaal Charles - Texas
(3) 67. CB - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
(3) 95. FB - Owen Schmitt - WVU
(4) C - Doug Legursky - Marshall / Cory Lichtensteiger - Bowling Green
(6) OLB - Brandon Miller - Georgia
(7) BPA

I not a Texas fan but I think Sweed won't be there for 37th

[silverbear]

Originally Posted by masomenos85

First, how to you quote individual text segments like that? lol

What you did wrong was typing in [/quote] at both the beginning and the end of the quote... at the beginning, there is no / in it, just [quote]... then at the end you use the slash...

I had a hard time figuring it out at first too...

I agree that it doesn't really matter how you gain those 40 yards, but in a debate about whether or not he has the speed to stretch defenses it does matter.

The thing is, Sweed is what most NFL teams are moving to today, the pure speed receiver is giving way to the big possession receiver with a little speed... you want another Terry Glenn, I want the Boys to build themselves a fleet of big, physical wideouts, with one or two of them offering just a little bit of a downfield threat...

I was just saying that there's more than one way to stretch a defense, and Sweed is obviously quite proficient in one of those ways...

Actually, the hurdles are the one track event that most demand the skills that an NFL WR needs... you need pure straight line speed, and you need to be quick out of the blocks (which is true for ALL of the shorter, "sprint" events), and you need to be able to jump pretty well...

Sweed's speed in the 110m hurdles is evident of his straight line speed over an entire football field, and you almost never see players running the full distance. He could just have phenomenal times from 60m to 110m after he's gained speed over distance.

No, not in a hurdle event, he can't... in that event, every few yards you have decelerate to jump over a hurdle, then accelerate to the next hurdle, thus largely eliminating the kind of acceleration you're talking about... initial quickness is every bit as important as pure straightline speed in the hurdles...

What matters is his straight line speed over 10 yards, a pretty common distance for the end of a routes stem.

And I'm saying that a good hurdler will be quite likely to put up good 10 yard splits... again, that's a run a few yards, jump over a hurdle, run a few more yards, jump over a hurdle, etc., kind of event... agility and initial quickness are essential to being good at that...

Except Williams was lazy, and never really in shape... the comparison to Keyshawn was apt because Sweed plays a very similar, very physical game... with Key, it was said that even when he's covered, he's open... that's pretty much true for Sweed as well, and is one of the reasons I like the guy so much...

He's really not all that physical for his size, certainly not like Keyshawn in respects to downfield blocking. That's not to say he's not somewhat physical but I certainly don't see him in the Michael Irvin type mold you were alluding to earlier.

LOL... I find it difficult to believe we're talking about the same player... clearly, whatever you were watching, you were seeing something very different from what I saw when I watched the guy...

All that said, I wouldn't mind him being a Cowboy if we were able to pick him in the second round, but there are just other WRs with more complete skill sets that we would be able to target in the first. For a player with Sweeds concerns I would be wary to spend a first round pick on him, which is why I said that I considered him a higher risk pick.

If he runs well at the combine, he'll be a first round pick, for sure... if he doesn't time as well as I expect him to, then it's entirely possible that he could slip to the Boys in the second round... I won't be upset if he does, and I sure won't be upset if the Boys were to grab him that late...

However, he certainly does have potential with his great hands. Will he ever be a #1? No I don't think so,

I don't know if he'll ever catch 100 balls in a season, if he'll ever be a Pro Bowl WR, but I see him offering solid 60-75 catches per season potential in the NFL... I'll take that kind of production from a late first round pick...

Depending on what team he goes to I would expect him to have a rookie year similar to Sidney Rice, maybe somewhere around 400-500 yards and a handful of TDs.

That sounds like a reasonable projection...