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Old 11-30-2009   #16
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Ask any questions you'd like, he's a butcher.
Based on your comments, I think the more descriptive word would be "fraud" or maybe "charlatan" but certainly not butcher. That was why I couldn't fathom what you meant.
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Based on your comments, I think the more descriptive word would be "fraud" or maybe "charlatan" but certainly not butcher. That was why I couldn't fathom what you meant.
Duh for me. sorry...I toss that word around all the time.

Sorta like "hack"

I think he does what works for him...he's very unique. He has an energy that works, for him.

But what I try to do with all my pupils is tailor my training to their strengths.

he's big on that "alpha roll" and claims that's what wolves do. But it's not true. A submissive dog GIVES the roll to an alpha...the alpha doesn't force it over.

Great way to get bit.

Also, he's into all this dominance, etc. The vast majority of dogs aren't dominant. It's not that simple.

Finally, it's all negative. The idea is to rewire a dog's thinking. Negating a behavior is one thing but then you still haven't replaced the behavior with something more acceptable.

My rescue pooch had a phobia for UPS trucks. Go figure. She'd go NUTZ when she saw one. In fact, she lunged at one in the first few days I had her and tore the cartilage in my knee...needed an operation to fix it.

So what we did was, we'd go out when UPS trucks were in the neighborhood. I'd approach, stop at a distance that she was comfortable with and reward her...then eventually, I'd move closer...and reward for calm behavior until it got to the point that now her brain is wired to say "OH cool a UPS truck. I get a reward"

Anyway...sorry...I can ramble about this stuff much more than I can about the Cowboys.

Sorry for the confusion.
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So thats where you went. Did'nt hear much from you after the operation. are you good now? still rehabing and going to school too?
I've got a horse for a dog that is a year old and insists everyone coming up to the house must pet and play with her. Just takes time to show her what we want from her.
She is getting better around me, but the wife can't hold or handle her.
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So thats where you went. Did'nt hear much from you after the operation. are you good now? still rehabing and going to school too?
I've got a horse for a dog that is a year old and insists everyone coming up to the house must pet and play with her. Just takes time to show her what we want from her.
She is getting better around me, but the wife can't hold or handle her.
I just sorta stroll around here just making sure everyone's behaving. There are so many posts in each thread that by the time I get to post, it's already been said

Meniscus surgery went great..rehab has been lousy. I was doing great after a week. Not exactly sure what has happened since then...but yeah, I kept my classes going.

If you have any questions about your Horse/Dog, lemme know.
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How do you stop them from "talking" through the fence? When I let our dog out she runs straight to the fence and barks to see if the other dogs are out.
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How do you stop them from "talking" through the fence? When I let our dog out she runs straight to the fence and barks to see if the other dogs are out.
Will she come to you if you call her? That seems to be more the problem. I think it's ok if she runs over to see if any of her buddies are out and you might want to give her a few seconds for that...but then you should be able to get a recall with a "come" and she should come to you.
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Will she come to you if you call her? That seems to be more the problem. I think it's ok if she runs over to see if any of her buddies are out and you might want to give her a few seconds for that...but then you should be able to get a recall with a "come" and she should come to you.
Once I can get her attention.
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Once I can get her attention.
That's always the toughest part of a recall....getting their attention. Once you have their attention, the rest is pretty easy. Think of how many times you're sitting at home on the computer and the wife calls ya, you don't immediately come running (well, I'm sure YOU do) but most of us say, "Be there in a minute, lemme finish this"

What bugs you about the dog running to the fence?
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That's always the toughest part of a recall....getting their attention. Once you have their attention, the rest is pretty easy. Think of how many times you're sitting at home on the computer and the wife calls ya, you don't immediately come running (well, I'm sure YOU do) but most of us say, "Be there in a minute, lemme finish this"

What bugs you about the dog running to the fence?
The barking and running back and forth. Angus was much worse. He'd run until he gave out if I let him.

Oh and we have a six foot privacy fence not a chain link.
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The barking and running back and forth. Angus was much worse. He'd run until he gave out if I let him.

Oh and we have a six foot privacy fence not a chain link.
So, it's a non stop, frantic running back and forth, not just a short few seconds?
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So, it's a non stop, frantic running back and forth, not just a short few seconds?
Non stop if we'd let them
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Non stop if we'd let them
OK....sorry to ask so many questions but...

Could be a number of things...could just be a burst of energy...if it's the first thing in the morning...or when you come home...you might want to try to burn some of that energy off first.

Also, you might want to break the habit of opening the back door and letting her run out...make it a case where she waits at the door and walks along side of you.

Work on the "come" command which you should be able to get regardless of what is happening. It could be a life saver some day.

My nickel bet is that she's got a lot of energy that needs to be tapped out.

Do you get the sense that it's "social" barking or property guarding?

And always remember, it's better to replace the behavior with a more suitable one that to just try to negate it.
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OK....sorry to ask so many questions but...

Could be a number of things...could just be a burst of energy...if it's the first thing in the morning...or when you come home...you might want to try to burn some of that energy off first.

Also, you might want to break the habit of opening the back door and letting her run out...make it a case where she waits at the door and walks along side of you.

Work on the "come" command which you should be able to get regardless of what is happening. It could be a life saver some day.

My nickel bet is that she's got a lot of energy that needs to be tapped out.

Do you get the sense that it's "social" barking or property guarding?

And always remember, it's better to replace the behavior with a more suitable one that to just try to negate it.
I'd say it's more of a guarding thing.
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I'd say it's more of a guarding thing.
Oooh, that's interesting.

Sorry more questions.

Do you go for walks with the dog?

How do you feed the dog? Is food left out all day?

My suggestion btw, is to "front" the dog. If you control the space in front of a dog, you control the dog. I do it with mine all the time. She was a tough customer in the beginning. So, if she'd lunge at another dog on a walk, I'd stand in front of her...at times it took a bit of jockeying...but just tonight a Boxer went after her on our walk, I fronted her, gave her a sit command...and then a "watch" command, which means "look in my eyes"

So one of the remedial things you can do is to front the dog at the fence until it understands, you're in charge of that space.

But that is only a part of the "program" if you will because that dog should know, "Yeags is in charge of the property, not me" and we can do a number of things to get to that point...and they're simple and effective fairly quickly.
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Oooh, that's interesting.

Sorry more questions.

Do you go for walks with the dog?

How do you feed the dog? Is food left out all day?

My suggestion btw, is to "front" the dog. If you control the space in front of a dog, you control the dog. I do it with mine all the time. She was a tough customer in the beginning. So, if she'd lunge at another dog on a walk, I'd stand in front of her...at times it took a bit of jockeying...but just tonight a Boxer went after her on our walk, I fronted her, gave her a sit command...and then a "watch" command, which means "look in my eyes"

So one of the remedial things you can do is to front the dog at the fence until it understands, you're in charge of that space.

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I'll do the fronting when I want her to stop.
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