RGIII vs Luck

[Romo 2 Austin]

Who is the better prospect, and why?

[2much2soon]

Everytime I have watched Luck play he seems to stare down his receivers. And most of his completions seem to be very high-percentage.

With the huge hype around him, I think he is very over rated.

So why the hype?

I think Luck is a good guy. Personable, likable. He looks the part of the big time QB. The media wants to latch on to someone like that to create more interest in their product.

His dad was an atrocious, forgettable, NFL QB.

The media seems to imply something positive with the son due to his father playing in the NFL while ignoring how bad he was.

I think Luck is more likely to be the next Ryan Leaf than RGIII is.

Remember, Ryan Leaf was a "can't miss NFL prospect" too, at one time. And teams kept taking chances on him because of his "measurables". He looked the part.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by 2much2soon

Everytime I have watched Luck play he seems to stare down his receivers. And most of his completions seem to be very high-percentage.

With the huge hype around him, I think he is very over rated.

So why the hype?

I think Luck is a good guy. Personable, likable. He looks the part of the big time QB. The media wants to latch on to someone like that to create more interest in their product.

His dad was an atrocious, forgettable, NFL QB.

The media seems to imply something positive with the son due to his father playing in the NFL while ignoring how bad he was.

I think Luck is more likely to be the next Ryan Leaf than RGIII is.

Remember, Ryan Leaf was a "can't miss NFL prospect" too, at one time. And teams kept taking chances on him because of his "measurables". He looked the part.

Unbelievable how someone can be so off-the-mark.

[RastaRocket]

Originally Posted by 2much2soon

Everytime I have watched Luck play he seems to stare down his receivers. And most of his completions seem to be very high-percentage.

With the huge hype around him, I think he is very over rated.

So why the hype?

I think Luck is a good guy. Personable, likable. He looks the part of the big time QB. The media wants to latch on to someone like that to create more interest in their product.

His dad was an atrocious, forgettable, NFL QB.

The media seems to imply something positive with the son due to his father playing in the NFL while ignoring how bad he was.

I think Luck is more likely to be the next Ryan Leaf than RGIII is.

Remember, Ryan Leaf was a "can't miss NFL prospect" too, at one time. And teams kept taking chances on him because of his "measurables". He looked the part.

Ryan Leaf was also caught trying to rob Hydrocodone. Todd Marinovich was addicted to every drug possible. Jamarcus Russell got arrested with a giant bottle of lean.

3 big time busts.... one problem.

You can look up pretty much any bust story.... lots of them are linked to drugs. Not all, but many.

[super8]

Originally Posted by realtick

Unbelievable how someone can be so off-the-mark.

exactly

[burmafrd]

I think that as usual the #1 QB is over hyped. HOWEVER to compare Luck to the tin heads like Leaf....

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

I think that as usual the #1 QB is over hyped. HOWEVER to compare Luck to the tin heads like Leaf....

No kidding. There is a possibility that Luck won't live up to the hype, but it won't be for the same reasons that Leaf didn't succeed.

Leaf came out of nowhere. I don't remember hearing about him as a bona fide top of the draft prospect until halfway through his last year in college. Unlike Peyton Manning who was scrutinized every year on college. I think being under that type of pressure is helpful to both the player and the people scouting them. It really shines more light on how that player is going to be. If Leaf had gone through that during his entire college career, I think more people would have known what a d-bag he was. Instead they didn't find out until he was in the pros.

In my opinion, Luck is more in line with Manning. He has been hyped, maybe over-hyped for a couple of years now. He has had to deal with pressure and showed to handle it pretty well.

As far as just physical abilities, Luck has more to offer than Leaf. Leaf and JaMarcus Russell, too were both big guys with strong arms, but neither had good feet. Luck is very light on his feet.

I like RGIII a lot. I do think he is behind Luck in terms of development. Luck is more ready made at this point whereas RGIII is better suited to sit and watch for a few years. I think both have good potentials. There is really nothing much not to like with either guy because of all the positives they bring.

[Doomsday101]

I like both guys. Frankly I would not be shocked to see RGIII have better success early on given his athletic ability. Most rookie QB will have a lot thrown at them by the defense and RGIII ability to get out of the pocket and run vs a heavy blitz will be a big advantage to him

In the long run I think Luck will have the better career but being more of the pocket passer facing big rushes I would expect him to struggle early on.

[TheCount]

Luck is the better prospect, but I'm a huge RGIII fan. Sucks that he'll end up a Redskin more than likely, but I would so love for him to sit a few years behind Romo and be our guy of the future.

Oh well.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by TheCount

Luck is the better prospect, but I'm a huge RGIII fan. Sucks that he'll end up a Redskin more than likely, but I would so love for him to sit a few years behind Romo and be our guy of the future.

Oh well.

Luck is fantastic and has the higher floor and is a much safer pick.

A creative coaching staff could do some aamzing things with RG3 though, considering his athletic ability and his deep ball touch.

Look what the Panthers did with Newton. They added a read option element to their offense and will really turn Newton into something special.

Imagine a team that runs a ZBS and needs its QB to bootleg adding a read option element to it.

[realtick]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

No kidding. There is a possibility that Luck won't live up to the hype, but it won't be for the same reasons that Leaf didn't succeed.

Leaf came out of nowhere. I don't remember hearing about him as a bona fide top of the draft prospect until halfway through his last year in college. Unlike Peyton Manning who was scrutinized every year on college. I think being under that type of pressure is helpful to both the player and the people scouting them. It really shines more light on how that player is going to be. If Leaf had gone through that during his entire college career, I think more people would have known what a d-bag he was. Instead they didn't find out until he was in the pros.

In my opinion, Luck is more in line with Manning. He has been hyped, maybe over-hyped for a couple of years now. He has had to deal with pressure and showed to handle it pretty well.

[View Full Quote]As far as just physical abilities, Luck has more to offer than Leaf. Leaf and JaMarcus Russell, too were both big guys with strong arms, but neither had good feet. Luck is very light on his feet.

I like RGIII a lot. I do think he is behind Luck in terms of development. Luck is more ready made at this point whereas RGIII is better suited to sit and watch for a few years. I think both have good potentials. There is really nothing much not to like with either guy because of all the positives they bring.

Pretty much how I feel.

I especially agree with the point that RGIII is going to take some time to really develop, although I don't know if he'll be afforded that if he goes early. He is a raw QB prospect with so much that needs to be refined: footwork, dropback, taking snaps under center, reading coverages and finding his receivers who will be running more complex/deeper routes, et cetera.

I'm in the minority, and I like RGIII too, but I don't see him as this bonified sure-bet franchise QB.

[unionjack8]

Originally Posted by realtick

Unbelievable how someone can be so off-the-mark.

absolutely agree realtick.

I havent seen a qb have such professinal reads, all across the field at multiple depths as i have seen Luck make. He can have as many as 3/4 reads and then a check down.

RGIII has one or two reads and then takes off.

Andrew Luck WILL be a star qb in this league.
RGIII will be a good qb in this league.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by unionjack8

absolutely agree realtick.

I havent seen a qb have such professinal reads, all across the field at multiple depths as i have seen Luck make. He can have as many as 3/4 reads and then a check down.

RGIII has one or two reads and then takes off.

Andrew Luck WILL be a star qb in this league.
RGIII will be a good qb in this league.

No D-1 college offense has "1 or 2" reads.

Most top Texas High Schools do not run on a "1 or 2" read offense.

Really, all this does is give Luck the upperhand going into training camp 2012. After that, its all coaching and development from that point forward.

Luck is an a very ideal situation (and after seeing him play live I am sold on him)

He has the best o-line in the country by far, with 2 first round picks on it, and probably another future first round pick. Its size and ability actually rivals NFL o-lines.

He has incredible talent at TE, which is impossible to cover in CFB considering the talent level on defense.

So Luck is able to drop back, sit in a comfortable pocket, scan the field and hit his man. And it helps that his run game is outstanding.

This is not to detract from Luck at all, this is to simply demonstrate the advantages he has over RG3 in regards to the team around each of them.

RG3 has demonstrated this year an excellent deep ball, quick release and progression through his reads. His running ability is simply bonus.

I think a team will do just fine with either of them. The draft day question really is Luck>RG3+the picks you save

[realtick]

Originally Posted by unionjack8

absolutely agree realtick.

I havent seen a qb have such professinal reads, all across the field at multiple depths as i have seen Luck make. He can have as many as 3/4 reads and then a check down.

RGIII has one or two reads and then takes off.

Andrew Luck WILL be a star qb in this league.
RGIII will be a good qb in this league.

One aspect of Luck that a lot of folks don't realize is that he's running the offense. They've given him that liberty to do so. Not to mention the fact they run a pro-style offense. Very few college QBs are given that responsibility.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by realtick

One aspect of Luck that a lot of folks don't realize is that he's running the offense. They've given him that liberty to do so. Not to mention the fact they run a pro-style offense. Very few college QBs are given that responsibility.

Agree. He is calling plays on the line.

Again though, this advantage Luck has essentially goes away once the first traning camp is done.

Luck will be learning an entirely new offense (unless he goes to SF)

As will RG3.

Its coaching and development at that point.