Melvin Ingram is a beast

[MichaelWinicki]

I still see a problem with 1st down pass rush no matter who's playing the strong-side OLBer position, because this guy isn't pass rushing.

You're either getting just the front 3 or the front 3 plus Ware.

And when you have one starting DE getting 1 sack and the NT getting 2 for the entire season... Well I think the pass rush issues go deeper than Spencer only getting 6 sacks on the season.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

I still see a problem with 1st down pass rush no matter who's playing the strong-side OLBer position, because this guy isn't pass rushing.

You're either getting just the front 3 or the front 3 plus Ware.

And when you have one starting DE getting 1 sack and the NT getting 2 for the entire season... Well I think the pass rush issues go deeper than Spencer only getting 6 sacks on the season.

I agree with this but looking at the 3-4 DEs at 14 then you are reaching big time. Derek Wolfe is pretty much the only one I like right now to draft early and that would be mid-late 2nd or maybe early 3rd but I think he will rise up boards.

So because there isn't a Watt in the draft what should you do reach for a 3-4 DE and hope he can be a great pass rusher. No you move to other positions.

I would love to get Campbell in FA but i doubt that will happen.
Red Bryant would be a smart signing. He plays DE in a 4-3 now in Seattle, so I think he can make the move to 3-4 DE.

[Joe Rod]

Originally Posted by Gaede

I like Ingram alot.

He does, at first glance, appear to be slow off the ball. But it looks like he's asked to either drop or rush on alot of plays--and I think that his slow step is merely him diagnosing the play and deciding which duty to fulfill. The most impressive thing to me, is that once he decides to do one or the other, he gets there extremely fast--despite the initial hesitation. This tells me that Ingram has both excellent awareness and explosion

I haven't done a whole lot of considering who will be what in the draft, but I am a huge Ingram fan. The guy has shown the ability to just dominate games. He was a one man wrecking crew against Auburn.

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

I agree with this but looking at the 3-4 DEs at 14 then you are reaching big time. Derek Wolfe is pretty much the only one I like right now to draft early and that would be mid-late 2nd or maybe early 3rd but I think he will rise up boards.

So because there isn't a Watt in the draft what should you do reach for a 3-4 DE and hope he can be a great pass rusher. No you move to other positions.

I would love to get Campbell in FA but i doubt that will happen.
Red Bryant would be a smart signing. He plays DE in a 4-3 now in Seattle, so I think he can make the move to 3-4 DE.

Yes, love Red Bryant. Dude is a freak with his size and strength.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by tm1119

Yes, love Red Bryant. Dude is a freak with his size and strength.

if he can play DE in a 4-3 at his size what can he do as a 3-4 DE. I would love a guy that is 6-4 320 pounds and can get into the backfield.

[Future]

I don't see where this guy fits in a 3-4. He'd have to play OLB in our scheme, and I don't think he's got the burst to be an outside pass rusher and it seems like he did quite a bit of damage rushing from the DT position at SC.

He reminds me of Vernon Gholston for some reason. Not saying he's going to be a total bust, but I don't see him having the same success in the NFL as he had in college.

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

if he can play DE in a 4-3 at his size what can he do as a 3-4 DE. I would love a guy that is 6-4 320 pounds and can get into the backfield.

He honestly reminds me of a poormans Ngata. That is probably a bit of an exaggeration but that's what came to mind the 3 or 4 games I watched him in this year. He's a force on the line and surprisingly quick for such a big guy. I think he could play both NT and DE in our scheme.

[Future]

Originally Posted by tm1119

He honestly reminds me of a poormans Ngata. That is probably a bit of an exaggeration but that's what came to mind the 3 or 4 games I watched him in this year. He's a force on the line and surprisingly quick for such a big guy. I think he could play both NT and DE in our scheme.

Ngata has 60 lbs. on Ingram

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Future

I don't see where this guy fits in a 3-4. He'd have to play OLB in our scheme, and I don't think he's got the burst to be an outside pass rusher and it seems like he did quite a bit of damage rushing from the DT position at SC.

He reminds me of Vernon Gholston for some reason. Not saying he's going to be a total bust, but I don't see him having the same success in the NFL as he had in college.

I don't see this burst problem people keep talking about. I guess he could be faster but I think he still has great speed to get around the corner.

He reminds me alot of Terrell Suggs.
But other than Ingram Upshaw, Hightower, and Irvin is our only options if we don't bring Spencer back.
I'm not going to trust a 2nd round or 3rd round OLB to start day one.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Future

Ngata has 60 lbs. on Ingram

I think he was talking about Red Bryant

[Future]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

I don't see this burst problem people keep talking about. I guess he could be faster but I think he still has great speed to get around the corner.

He reminds me alot of Terrell Suggs.
But other than Ingram Upshaw, Hightower, and Irvin is our only options if we don't bring Spencer back.
I'm not going to trust a 2nd round or 3rd round OLB to start day one.

I just think he looks slow for a guy whose supposed to be a ridiculous athlete. It's hard to tell I guess.

I don't think any of them are going to give us the production Spencer does, believe it or not. And if signing Spencer we can use #14 on a CB or OLine, it's totally worth it imo.

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

I think he was talking about Red Bryant

You're correct, I misread.

[supercowboy8]

Originally Posted by Future

I just think he looks slow for a guy whose supposed to be a ridiculous athlete. It's hard to tell I guess.

I don't think any of them are going to give us the production Spencer does, believe it or not. And if signing Spencer we can use #14 on a CB or OLine, it's totally worth it imo.

I agree for this year for sure. That why I said if Spencer walks then your pick at 14 has to be OLB. I guess we could spend big money on Avril and hope he can play SOLB, but this was the first year Avril has ever had double digit sack number and he is playing in a 4-3 next to Suh. So Suh get doubled every down and Avril is one on one, shouldn't he get more than 11 sacks?

The only think we can do is
1. spend big money on Spencer
2. spend big money on Avril
3. use the 14th pick on a SOLB
4. draft a OLB later and play against the odds and hope he can come on and play atleast as good as Spencer day one.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by supercowboy8

I agree for this year for sure. That why I said if Spencer walks then your pick at 14 has to be OLB. I guess we could spend big money on Avril and hope he can play SOLB, but this was the first year Avril has ever had double digit sack number and he is playing in a 4-3 next to Suh. So Suh get doubled every down and Avril is one on one, shouldn't he get more than 11 sacks?

The only think we can do is
1. spend big money on Spencer
2. spend big money on Avril
3. use the 14th pick on a SOLB
4. draft a OLB later and play against the odds and hope he can come on and play atleast as good as Spencer day one.

Unless an OLB blows up the combine , I don't want to reach just to say that the position was addressed with the 14th pick . I would like another Ware too , but reaching at 14 is not the way to get one .

[rooler]

Originally Posted by jnday

Unless an OLB blows up the combine , I don't want to reach just to say that the position was addressed with the 14th pick . I would like another Ware too , but reaching at 14 is not the way to get one .

Walters Mock

16 Jets Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
18 SD San Diego Chargers: Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
20 Tennessee Titans: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
27 Steelers Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I think we better grab the one we like the best at 14 no screwing around

you can make a plea for any of those guys at 14 IMO

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by rooler

Walters Mock

16 Jets Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
18 SD San Diego Chargers: Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
20 Tennessee Titans: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
27 Steelers Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I think we better grab the one we like the best at 14 no screwing around

you can make a plea for any of those guys at 14 IMO

I love Ingram, his size and athleticism is extremely rare. However, after him Im not sure what separates the other 3 from the likes of Vinny Curry, Brandon Lindsey, Ronnell Lewis, Andre Branch, Shea McClellin, or Bruce Irvin who can all be had in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I guess we are going to have to rely on combine #'s and make the best choice if we do decide to go the route of OLB early on.