The Reconstruction Continues... Mock Draft

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

So since Spencer was a disappointment, we should just give up on upgrading his position at all.

Guess we should list all the OLs or CBs we have failed on and give up there too.

Any prospect, no matter how sure anyone is on him, can still fail. All we can do is keep trying to find good prospects, and hope they perform up to their potential.

I think the point you are missing is that this draft class does not have an elite pass rushing prospect . You refer to combine workouts as the deciding factor , but these guys have a couple of college seasons on tape that shows how they play . Drafting a workout warrior that doesn't have game production to support him , is a sure way to fail .
One pass rusher will not put us over the hump . This is going to be a two or three year process . The smart thing to is draft to the strengths of the draft . This year it just happens to be OG and CB . Next year it could be safeties and DL . If so , that should be the areas that are addressed early .

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by jnday

I think the point you are missing is that this draft class does not have an elite pass rushing prospect . You refer to combine workouts as the deciding factor , but these guys have a couple of college seasons on tape that shows how they play . Drafting a workout warrior that doesn't have game production to support him , is a sure way to fail .
One pass rusher will not put us over the hump . This is going to be a two or three year process . The smart thing to is draft to the strengths of the draft . This year it just happens to be OG and CB . Next year it could be safeties and DL . If so , that should be the areas that are addressed early .

You shouldn't post.

You make too much sense.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

or one could look at their times coming out of the combine on the 10 yd part of the 40, and a couple of other measurements and be reasonably certain they will be Spencer part Deux. If they do not clearly have better measureables then Spencer then we should pass on them. Spencer had all the nice stats in college as regards sacks and TFL; but that half a step he did not have is what is hurting us now

Well we could compare Aldon Smith or Ryan Kerrigan to Spencer's numbers and see they were quite similar. Yet they both are better than Spencer, even as rookies. Spencer part Deux could be any player cause the draft is a crap shoot.

Spencer had the athletic talent, but not the mental talent. Until we get over the fact that Spencer was a disappointment cause of more than athletic talent and move on, then how can we possibly ever draft someone else without the question of Spencer.

People still don't wanna draft a safety high cause of Roy Williams. Get over it and move on.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Not at all.

I just don't think that Spencer performed worse than Newman or the inside offensive lineman.

Those positions are in much greater need of help.

And that's where the focus should be in the first round if at all possible.

The difference is Spencer requires alot of money to keep him and a long term commitment. TNew is gone anyway (and yes the position needs alot of help), and the OL is a bunch of cheap young guys who basically won't get a chance to develop if we get a FA G AND draft a G.

Originally Posted by jnday

I think the point you are missing is that this draft class does not have an elite pass rushing prospect . You refer to combine workouts as the deciding factor , but these guys have a couple of college seasons on tape that shows how they play . Drafting a workout warrior that doesn't have game production to support him , is a sure way to fail .
One pass rusher will not put us over the hump . This is going to be a two or three year process . The smart thing to is draft to the strengths of the draft . This year it just happens to be OG and CB . Next year it could be safeties and DL . If so , that should be the areas that are addressed early .

I still don't think we know enough about them to say none are an elite prospect. We just don't have enough information yet to know that. As for a workout warrior, I'm not looking for that, most of these guys have enough tape to be first rounders in our range already. The workouts could put them over the top for our pick, and that is the point.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Well we could compare Aldon Smith or Ryan Kerrigan to Spencer's numbers and see they were quite similar. Yet they both are better than Spencer, even as rookies. Spencer part Deux could be any player cause the draft is a crap shoot.

Spencer had the athletic talent, but not the mental talent. Until we get over the fact that Spencer was a disappointment cause of more than athletic talent and move on, then how can we possibly ever draft someone else without the question of Spencer.

People still don't wanna draft a safety high cause of Roy Williams. Get over it and move on.

Nah , I stayed a a Holiday Inn Express last night .

[geeter]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

there is not a OLB in this draft that you can really point at and be reasonably sure he will be a decided upgrade to Spencer........

........Decastro if he is there for the HUGE hole at Guard.

The only ones I think we can count on in the O line now are Killa, maybe, and Arkin, possibly.

We need to give Romo better protection; he was just about killed this year. We cannot wait and HOPE that our current scrubs get better without taking serious action........

.......But we have to stop this BS of always thinking we can go 4th rd and lower and keep restocking the O line. Of all the picks we have had only Free has developed as a starter. One out of almost a dozen in the last 5-6 years. One definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results.

along the same OL of thinking....


and how Wes Bunting has rated the top 5th best pro prospect in draft

1-Luck 2- Claiborne 3- DeCastro 4-Richardson & 5- Konz

definately these are all plug and play choices for many yrs to come

Now, need to protect Romo, since w/o him, the Boys are toast.....

I sense an urgency to build a protective wall around Romo...his health is prime to the future of the Cowboys- this investment is treated like a rag doll by our opponents...jeez

Give Romo some love....get him Nicks (Saints- All Pro-OG) in free agency - DeCastro at 14th and move up from second round into first round and get Konz....that way we're done with the offensive line for remaining Romo yrs in one swoop and OL is also set for a decade.

Smith... Nicks ... Konz ...DeCastro ...Free

Yeah, the defense suffers but lets get it fixed in the following 2 yrs. Not like if we're a player away from the SB with that train wreck.....

[TheDallasDon]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

there is not a OLB in this draft that you can really point at and be reasonably sure he will be a decided upgrade to Spencer.

Robert Mathis or Calais Campbell in FA to replace Spencer.

First Jeremiah Ratliff to OLB now Calais Campbell, wth is going on with this board lately?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by TheDallasDon

First Jeremiah Ratliff to OLB now Calais Campbell, wth is going on with this board lately?

to replace spenser as the 2nd pass rusher

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

there were some back when Spencer was drafted that worried that he just did not have the necessary speed and quickness to be a top rusher in the NFL. This is a case when raw numbers told the story; half a step makes such a huge difference in the NFL vs College.

The big problem with Spencer is that he doesn't have elite speed, elite power or good pass rush moves. You usually need at least one of those skills to be a good pass rusher and a great pass rusher usually has two of them. The true elite might have all 3 but that is very rare.

It is only this year that Ware really started to show some more moves as a pass rusher with his interior counter move.

Spencer can't get by OTs with burst around the edge, he can't overpower them and he just ends up handfighting them most of the time. Most of his pressures and sacks occur from him pursuing a play or cleaning up someone else's pressure. That's why he is so bad in this role and why we have to seek to upgrade the pressure upfront.

We can keep Spencer at OLB but then we either have to find someone else to be the edge rusher or find another disruptive player for put in at DT. The best candidates in the first round are likely Ingram and Brockers.