18 Years Ago Today, "They're Brass"

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

There are 2 sides to this fence.

Yes, Garrett is building something beautiful, or trying to and Jerry is playing nice-nice, for now. That's one side of the fence that brings optimism.

The other side that brings pecimism is that Jerry does things to undermine the team, whether he intends to or not. For instance, his talking to Garrett on the sidelines of the second Eagles game caused an unneeded distraction. Him saying how he makes all final personeel decisions as GM, and so it would make no sence to bring in someone to provide perspective because it might muddy things; well that's a disstraction too that undermines the coach. So is Jones always playing "chummy" with the palyers and leaving his door open for them, undermining his coaches as players walk past that dooor to go knock on Jerry's.

Jerry Jones = undermining distractions all around!

[View Full Quote]Yes Jerry Jones brought in Parcells and he walked away a year or 2 early. By his last years Jones was being more "suggestive" and Parcells wanted out before it got out of hand. Before that Jerry had stooges running the team because he could treat them like, well, stooges. Him later admitting that he fired Gailey too early was a bad move. No Jerry the bad move was hiring him in the first place.

Jerry does not get it, and because he does not he'll ruin it for Garrett the more he tries to help him - and help (ruin) him, he likely will.

It's about jerry - Jerry says so himself!

The only people I have heard of who were distracted are fans and media. I've not heard a single player or coach say it threw them off their game.

[JoeCorrado]

Originally Posted by Hostile

The problem with thinking that is that there is literally no validation for it. Every coach who has been here says Jerry's bent over backwards to give them whatever they wanted. Look at all the FOBs Parcells got here for example. In 2004, Jerry wanted Kurt Warner and Bill wanted Vinny T. Who played here?

Jerry should have over ruled Parcells. He is the GM and while he can delegate authority he can't dodge his responsibility.

Oh wait.......

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by JoeCorrado

Jerry should have over ruled Parcells. He is the GM and while he can delegate authority he can't dodge his responsibility.

Oh wait.......

I wish I could say I understood the last line, but I don't.

[Big Country]

Originally Posted by Hostile

The problem with thinking that is that there is literally no validation for it. Every coach who has been here says Jerry's bent over backwards to give them whatever they wanted. Look at all the FOBs Parcells got here for example. In 2004, Jerry wanted Kurt Warner and Bill wanted Vinny T. Who played here?

Testaverde sounds more like ravioli than Warner.

Member Parcells is a Joizey boy

[bigE79]

Originally Posted by Hostile

The only people I have heard of who were distracted are fans and media. I've not heard a single player or coach say it threw them off their game.

I wonder if john fox was distracted when elway was on the sidelines when they played pitts?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by bigE79

I wonder if john fox was distracted when elway was on the sidelines when they played pitts?

Good question.

[gbrittain]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I've shared it here before man. In fact cajuncowboy can validate that he and I discussed it way back in March of 2004. I knew Quincy was gone. Even Warner's wife intimated on a Christian radio station that she liked stars when asked about where Kurt might play.

Hey I believe you...just never heard it before. Interesting tidbit that I did not know. Very interesting.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by gbrittain

Hey I believe you...just never heard it before. Interesting tidbit that I did not know. Very interesting.

The sad thing is if Kurt had landed here Romo may have never been discovered. I don't believe Warner would have been as bad as Testaverde and Bledsoe at all.

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by casmith07

Jason Garrett is the same way. We just have a roster full of bad talent.

Very accurate statement...

[SilverStarCowboy]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

Jerry does things to undermine the team, whether he intends to or not. [edit] Him saying how he makes all final personeel decisions as GM, and so it would make no sense to bring in someone to provide perspective because it might muddy things; well that's a disstraction too that undermines the coach. So is Jones always playing "chummy" with the palyers and leaving his door open for them, undermining his coaches as players walk past that door to go knock on Jerry's.

Jerry Jones = undermining distractions all around!

[gbrittain]

Originally Posted by Hostile

The sad thing is if Kurt had landed here Romo may have never been discovered. I don't believe Warner would have been as bad as Testaverde and Bledsoe at all.

Exactly. I love Kurt Warner, but Romo for the long term is much better than Warner for the short term.

[JoeCorrado]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I wish I could say I understood the last line, but I don't.

The oh, wait... ?

Don't worry about it Hos, it was just my way of saying that Jerry does have a good idea from time to time, and that he should not be viewed based only upon what he has done wrong, but what he has done right. In the Warner v. Vinny thing- I wish Jerry HAD intervened.

Sometimes we blame Jerry whether it was actually his doing or not. We assume it must be Jerry's fault when things go wrong, and assume it must be in-spite of Jerry when things go right.

Looking back at it though- Warner would have been a great hire.

It's all Jerry's fault, every time. We hear it constantly here.

Don't count me as a Jerry Apologist, I'm not. I take my shots too.

Instead, just call me a realist.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by JoeCorrado

The oh, wait... ?

Don't worry about it Hos, it was just my way of saying that Jerry does have a good idea from time to time, and that he should not be viewed based only upon what he has done wrong, but what he has done right. In the Warner v. Vinny thing- I wish Jerry HAD intervened.

Sometimes we blame Jerry whether it was actually his doing or not. We assume it must be Jerry's fault when things go wrong, and assume it must be in-spite of Jerry when things go right.

Looking back at it though- Warner would have been a great hire.

It's all Jerry's fault, every time. We hear it constantly here.

Don't count me as a Jerry Apologist, I'm not.

I take my shots too. Instead, just call me a realist.

Okay. Just caught me on a Monday and I didn't catch the drift.

[JoeCorrado]

Originally Posted by Hostile

The sad thing is if Kurt had landed here Romo may have never been discovered. I don't believe Warner would have been as bad as Testaverde and Bledsoe at all.

Possibly. Or we would have had a very, very good player behind Warner. We haven't had that since the days of Danny White (I liked Kosar though) waiting in the wings.

Danny had to wait a really long time before he became starter, but we weren't disappointed.

Of course, it is all "what if" hypothetical.

[WoodysGirl]

What I've always liked about Jimmy was his brashness and the team's ability to live up to it.

I like Rex Ryan's brashness, but his defense let us down so much, I'd rather he don't say nothing until they can be the reason why the team won vs inspite of.

I wish Jason Garrett had some brashness, tho. He's like the confident professor who is always calm cool, and collected. It would be nice if said something that wasn't always the PC thing to say.